The only thing I wonder at, is why smorey seems so hostile?
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jim,
Why you ask, because, I am the one taking the brunt of the criticizm for the FTF tournament play at GEN CON and Origins.
And outside of Questioneer, I am not aware that anyone else that is commenting negatively has ever been to an event we put on.
Then for comments to be made like we are incompetent and we have no idea how to play AA, gets to you.
And not to mention, these guys are great at pushing ones buttons. I would call them names, but then they would just accuse me of attacking them first…
I just gets real old fast…
@Scarapis:
By the Way i’m curious if any of these arbitary rules are in the Official game rulebook or even errata put out by WotC cause I have found none regarding said rules, and to be honest I would be a bit miffed if I went to a game con to play a game along the current rules and find out some organiser decided to throw in some rules he made up for fun.
These are NOT arbitrary rules. They are rules created to be able to play the OTB AA games in a tournament setting. Larry has agreed to most of these rules and in some cases written portions of them. SO, I am not sure I understand what is there not to understand and what is so arbitrary about this…?
So lets get this straight, you make up rules along with Larry (why doesn’t he do an errata for Hasbro/WotC/AH to put out?), and yet never checked with said companies to seek approval for said rules used in an official game environment, its one thing if you were just some people getting together and playing a game, but you represent the game itself and it behooves you to abide by the game rules or any other sanctioned rules supplied by them would it not? or do you not represent them, since sorry if your were in one of my teams, you would be terminated for failure to comply with the company guidelines.
Casual players are idiots…
Perhaps you should pull your head out of the sand :-) and realize that we all play face to face, with Gar being one of the most hard core out of the lot as he flew across Canada to play a bunch of us at the FMG convention. I drove 10 hours from southern New England to be there, but I suppose because i’m on a post board I must automatically be some sort of shut in right? cause that’s not stupid assumption or anything. These forums are where we come to share our experiences with the game and impart some our insight with each other, so you can trumpet that you’re all about what the players want, but its pretty obvious you only represent WotC interests.
See this is exactly what I am talking about jim. Clyde Calling people idiots when the only idiot is probably the one that wrote that. Then to call Gar hardcore, do you even know what hardcore even means…?
And I don’t only have the interest of WotC here. I have only the interest of those that attend and want to play AA.
We are talking about just trying to establish an means by which ANYONE, “idiots” and all can come and play AA ftf in a great setting. If you are a “Hardcore” player, come have at it but don’t take your frustrations out on the ones that might be the ones that beat you in the end?
@Scarapis:
@Scarapis:
By the Way i’m curious if any of these arbitary rules are in the Official game rulebook or even errata put out by WotC cause I have found none regarding said rules, and to be honest I would be a bit miffed if I went to a game con to play a game along the current rules and find out some organiser decided to throw in some rules he made up for fun.
These are NOT arbitrary rules.� They are rules created to be able to play the OTB AA games in a tournament setting.� Larry has agreed to most of these rules and in some cases written portions of them.� SO, I am not sure I understand what is there not to understand and what is so arbitrary about this…?
So lets get this straight, you make up rules along with Larry (why doesn’t he do an errata for Hasbro/WotC/AH to put out?), and yet never checked with said companies to seek approval for said rules used in an official game environment, its one thing if you were just some people getting together and playing a game, but you represent the game itself and it behooves you to abide by the game rules or any other sanctioned rules supplied by them would it not? or do you not represent them, since sorry if your were in one of my teams, you would be terminated for failure to comply with the company guidelines.
And we do…That is our point. We take the rules, clarify what is in print, select whether or not we play with he OPTIONAL rules, then add time to the game and make sure everyone is playing under the same system.
Larry really doesn’t want to have anything to do with this. Yes, he helps me when I ask. Nor does WotC. That is why they leave it up to me…Never until this year have we had a problem. Once G40 surfaced I went Larry for help and he suggested I go to Questioneer (because he does know what he is talking about when it comes to G40) and many online gamers infiltrated the new rules for the game, is when we started having problems, difference of opinions, etc.
I would love to see Gar come and run any event where he is getting players from all over the world, come in and try and play each individual game by its own rules set. How is the heck would you determine a winner? He would be laugh at or yelling at, one of the two…
@Cow:
No, NO games are fun, just give axis a 7 bid or something if it is aa50 1941. No bid for 42.
No bid for global, japan is harder to deal with. Russia and London harder to capture. evens out.
Cow, but the bid helps to determine who plays what side without having to just roll a dice. It give the players something to shoot for when determining what side they would rather play…
@Cow:
No, NO games are fun, just give axis a 7 bid or something if it is aa50 1941. No bid for 42.
No bid for global, japan is harder to deal with. Russia and London harder to capture. evens out.
Cow, but the bid helps to determine who plays what side without having to just roll a dice. It give the players something to shoot for when determining what side they would rather play…
now this is one thing that always gets me, is you have to bid to play who you wish ? why not draw lots and do it that way, me personally I don’t care who I play i’ve played the Russians even and still did well with them, the true strategy player is the one who wins with what he has, not what he wants.
Scarapis,
but you represent the game itself and it behooves you to abide by the game rules or any other sanctioned rules supplied by them would it not? or do you not represent them, since sorry if your were in one of my teams, you would be terminated for failure to comply with the company guidelines.
Seriously dude, what part of OPTIONAL RULES do you not get? WotC and Larry Harris have blessed what Greg has produced. If you don’t like the format of the tournament because it does NOT make use of optional rules - that is cool - it really is. But don’t sit there and accuse people of somehow violating laws or some other corporate ‘code’ when you don’t have the first clue what you are talking about.
WotC is damn happy to have Greg do what he does - cause goodness knows no one else has stepped up to take over his duties.
MM
Scarapis,
but you represent the game itself and it behooves you to abide by the game rules or any other sanctioned rules supplied by them would it not? or do you not represent them, since sorry if your were in one of my teams, you would be terminated for failure to comply with the company guidelines.
Seriously dude, what part of OPTIONAL RULES do you not get? WotC and Larry Harris have blessed what Greg has produced. If you don’t like the format of the tournament because it does NOT make use of optional rules - that is cool - it really is. But don’t sit there and accuse people of somehow violating laws or some other corporate ‘code’ when you don’t have the first clue what you are talking about.
WotC is damn happy to have Greg do what he does - cause goodness knows no one else has stepped up to take over his duties.
MM
You dare, you have no clue who I am, but I sure know a PR disaster when I see one and Smo is quickly headed there, not only has he brought problems on here, but he has even brought this discussion up on other boards, do you honestly think he is secure in his job and that the company is happy with his work? do you wish to put it to the test, cause I can sure oblige you with that, not too mention WotC is oblivious to his rule changes and one thing I know is they are stickler for rules and sticklers for making sure they are enforced, furthermore its not like he only removed the optional rules, but he added new rules of his own design, so before you go getting on your high horse better make sure you have a leg to stand on, as it goes, I only got into this convo because I thought it was disgraceful for a couple of newbie members here to insult several seasoned members, and that is also one thing WotC does not tolerate either since it gives them a bad image.
Wow…just wow…OK, it would appear as though we have gone as far as we can…I’ll go my way, you can go yours.
MM
This thread has become a Greg bashing fest for no reason. Scarapis, even if Greg’s team were creasting radical rule changes, wotc would not give 2 flippin S!@#s what kinda of tournament rules greg or whomever he works with at gencon. They are trying to appeal to new people as well as seasoned ones. Frankly, I bet wotc is happy to see greg help to expand the community. More players = more sold games = more profits.
Not once has he or mm said anything truely hostile against the the online community in this thread, so I have no idea where people are getting (why is smor so hostile?). Things were all normal untill some people started bashing the people who were organizing the tournaments for talkign about having a different ruleset from what is played online. Why does everybody have to do things YOUR way then? (directed at people complaining about the tournament rules)
This thread has become a Greg bashing fest for no reason.�  Scarapis, even if Greg’s team were creasting radical rule changes, wotc would not give 2 flippin S!@#s what kinda of tournament rules greg or whomever he works with at gencon.�  They are trying to appeal to new people as well as seasoned ones.�  Frankly, I bet wotc is happy to see greg help to expand the community.�  More players = more sold games = more profits.� Â
Not once has he or mm said anything truely hostile against the the online community in this thread, so I have no idea where people are getting (why is smor so hostile?).�  Things were all normal untill some people started bashing the people who were organizing the tournaments for talkign about having a different ruleset from what is played online.�  Why does everybody have to do things YOUR way then? (directed at people complaining about the tournament rules)
go check page 2 or heres a quote to read: (PS: I don’t play online either, I play FTF)
@smo63:
we wanted people to play asa much as possible, rather than spending additional time trying to figure out what NOs they had or how to get them.
What?
If you’re not competent enough to calculate NO’s at the end of the turn, or incorporate them into general strategic thinking, then you SHOULDN’T be playing Axis and Allies.
That’s like saying, “Lets play the game without Artillery, Cruisers, or Bombers, because we want people playing Axis and Allies, and not spending additional time figuring out what these units can do, and how many options they have”
Absurd.
Hold a risk tournament instead.
Gargantua, Yes, you are a villian and have a small mind to back it. Â I can’t believe you were even competent enough to respond to this post without hurting yourself. Â As far as those who shouldn’t be playing AA, really only those self proclaimed villians come to mind. Â
And your point Scarapis?
And your point Scarapis?
let me thin his quote to Gargantua even more shall we since its obvious the obvious eludes you:
Gargantua, Yes, you are a villian and have a small mind to back it. � I can’t believe you were even competent enough to respond to this post without hurting yourself.
I am waiting for your explanation not a quote sir.
I have a pretty good idea what you are trying to say, I just want to have it confirmed.
Put it this way, not saying either party is innocent, the problem I see is we have a new member who is a representative of GenCon and WotC who insulted a member of long standing here, it doesn’t matter who started it first, the fact is Gargantua does not represent this site or anyone, but smo63 does (or so he says), and as a representative of those groups his actions are under scrutiny even more so since he represents those groups, so his actions should have reflected so and if someone showed disbarrage to him he should have ignored them as any decent rep would, but he did not and he compounded his mistake by disrespecting said seasoned member which gives many people cause how much his actions are endorsed by said groups.
That is what i’m trying to say, cause right now my opinion of both groups (GenCon and WotC) went downhill if smo63 is a representative of theirs in goodstanding like Miamiumike says he is.
Alright Greg,
Time to move our little spar to the right thread.
Let’s truce for a minute here. Â We don’t agree on some things so I’m not going to talk anymore about those things…unless you want to bring them up again, in which case we would probably just argue for pages and never resolve anything.
So…I’m just going to bring up some common interests here.
The Automatic Bids from Online Gamers at AA.org- you stated on the other thread that you would be open to this idea. Â I would like to talk details about this but I need to know if you are still seriously interested in this idea.
Wow, Scarapis and Gargantua, I am utterly flabbergasted that you continue to misunderstand the necessity of tourney rules that are not “in the rulebook,” even after the reasons have been explained logically–and lengthily, I might add. I can only conclude that either a) you have a distinct agenda against Greg and/or FTF A&A tourneys that deviate one iota from the box rules (really???), or b) you are immature–perhaps teenagers or younger, or c) you have mental health issues. Seriously, that’s not a personal attack, that’s genuine bafflement and concern should a) and b) both be ruled out.
BB
Wow, Scarapis and Gargantua, I am utterly flabbergasted that you continue to misunderstand the necessity of tourney rules that are not “in the rulebook,” even after the reasons have been explained logically–and lengthily, I might add. Â I can only conclude that either a) you have a distinct agenda against Greg and/or FTF A&A tourneys that deviate one iota from the box rules (really???), or b) you are immature–perhaps teenagers or younger, or c) you have mental health issues. Â Seriously, that’s not a personal attack, that’s genuine bafflement and concern should a) and b) both be ruled out.
BB
too answer your questions BB
A: have no clue who Greg is nor care, care that his actions reflect poorly on GenCon and WotC, as to the rules don’t know either nor care to, but if I went to a con to play a game would expect to play by the written rules and not some made up by people other then the company promoting the game.
B: most likely older then you, hell my kids are probably older then most on this site.
C: not mentally impaired either wouldn’t be able to do what I do if I was.
my comments on attitude aside,
i see nothing wrong with playing 1 of the 2 versions of aa50 in a tournament setting, with both optional rules turned off
(both versions are official)
it isn’t the most popularly played version, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a tournament based around it
when i introduce people to aa50, I usually do not include objectives or tech
