Rule Clarification, let the debate rage!

Hello, well i translate the manual of A&A PC 1998, from German to English. The new 3° edition rules are:

"…new features in the rules of the 3rd edition

Diving submarines: defending submarines can dive during the fight or withdraw from the fight. A submerged submarine remains in the same sea zone until it resurfaces after the fight.

Air units can withdraw from an amphibious attack: figthers and bombers can retreat from an amphibious attack if the things are shell-dead to the attacker.

Several AAA in one territory: you can now place several AAAs on a territory. However, only one of these AAA can fire during defence.

New sea units can be placed in disputed sea zones: they can now place their sea units in sea zones occupied by the friend. In this case, the fight takes place during the enemy’s strike, in case the enemy does not draw his unites before the fight from the zone.
Note: you still need to place your sea units in the immediate vicinity of one of your industrial complexes.

Western Canada no longer borders directly on the Atlantic Ocean: this prevents a player from moving units from the Atlantic directly to Western Canada…"

Now the plastic figures are finite and listed in the box (box that have a sheman tank, and not the futuristic panzer 3 we use and love); but the plastic chips number is diferenti in the boxes, some have 10 red others 7, i have 6, some have 50 blancas other 65, i have 72, soooo….

@Krieghund:

Welcome, yeomans!

Submarines can be attacked by air units in this game.  Of course, they will only get one shot before the sub(s) can withdraw.

You may be thinking of the rule that says subs can’t hit air units, or you may have read something concerning later versions of A&A in which air units are unable to hit subs without a friendly destroyer present.

The underlined portion was a totally new thing for us when we started playing 1942.2 (after playing the classic version for so long).  I can see the idea behind it though.  Helps preserve the sub a bit better from what we’ve seen.

Addressing the FlaK guns issue, according to the rules;only one gun may fire, no matter how many guns you have in a territory.
On a personal note, my flaK guns never hit, so I think this rule should not exist. If you want to go to the expense, and  put 4 Flak Guns in a territory, then you should be able to fire them all!  :evil:
Just be sure to put in some ear plugs in before you do, because the noise will be deafening! :-o
No, not the little toy guns, from the crying of your opponent when you shoot down all their planes.  :-P

Crazy Ivan
The Mad Mad Russian

you would be correct scardog. lol i dont know why i put 3 fighters total. sorry about that misprint.

even with only 2 fighters, it is still pretty much a lock (barring crazy rolls)

and i made another misprint as well

instead of "combat:
battle 1, sea battle

2 battleships, 2 fighters, 1 sub, and 1 aircraft carrier    vs  1 fighter , 1 aircraft carrier, and a sub."

it should be 2 battleships, 1 bomber, i fighter*, 1 sub……

Here’s a couple of links with all the initial starting info:

http://aamc.net/refcharts.shtml

http://www.axisandallies.net/public/downloads/setup

Mista Biggs 8)

b_o_,
you got it!

One thing that bugs me in the rules is … if you have FTRs on a CV in the UK sz, for example, and are attacked, losing the CV, but FTRs survive, they have one movement point to reach the UK, W EUR or F/N! If they were in the fight(which is highly probable) then they would not have fuel to reach safety. But, IT’S JUST A GAME! :wink:

Have fun!

it sounds like a fun variant, but i can see where Geze is coming from. Although i hate losing, i would feel bad beating a player with a superior position because of a 1 in 36 shot (or 5 in 36, or whatever). The point is, although it may even out the field a little bit, and it might be fun at times, it does nothing to separate out the winners from the losers (he says at the same instant that Zero is kicking his ass).

None of them are official 3rd-Edition rules (except Submerging Subs), but they are tried & tested “House Rules” that a great many players use to even the odds & generally spice things up. You can add whatever rules you want to the game when you play with your friends, but these & many others–call them “semi-official”–have been “playtested” extensively and other players can tell you pretty accurately how they’ll affect your game.

In RR, USSR basically skips the Combat Move & Combat portions of their 1st turn, going straight to NonCombat from Purchase Units.

2-Hit BBs (grrrrrr :evil: )are exactly like GeZe said–all BBs have 2 “lives” as it were and must take 2 hits in a single battle to sink. In some versions, the BB hit only once is immediately “repaired” (restored to full strength) after the battle, in others, she stays with only 1 “life” until sunk.

Submerging Subs is more complicated. First of all, it is an official 3rd-Edition rule. In addition to its “Withdraw” ability, each SUB may also “Withdraw in Place”, that is, exit the battle after its counterattack (if any) without moving. The SUB is no longer subject to attack, but “pops up” after the enemy’s Combat round is over and remains in place until its own Combat Movement turn comes around. If it doesn’t move out of the SZ, it must do battle on its Combat round with the enemy forces. If another enemy force enters the SZ to join its allies, it must do so on Combat Move & combat occurs against your SUB–but without the other enemy units being involved since its not their turn!Otherwise, the maneuver is the same as Withdrawing, you just don’t go anywhere.

Ozone27