Has anyone tried the Philips Media CD+i version of the game? Is it any good? Perhaps we could get the source to that. They seem more likely in my mind, since they never produced it for a huge market like the PC.

Sorry, I meant Christopher Columbus. But I believe the point that he broke against society and the Church in a time when it still wasn’t “Right” to think the world was round makes a big difference.

I’m including older games, non-Windows computers, and console games, as noted. Sorry for duplicates, I’m in Deep Think Mode trying to remember all the ones I like.

Ghengis Khan – Koei – both for NES (8-bit) and PC (DOS)
Ghengis Khan 2 – Koei – I think maybe only SNES
Nobunaga’s Ambition – Koei – possibly just NES
Shingen the Ruler – I think Tecmo, not sure – NES, rumored PC too
Defender of the Crown – Don’t remember – NES and PC (DOS)
Europa Univeralis – CodeWarriors/E-Sim Games – PC
Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri – Microprose??? – PC
Sid Meier’s Colinzation – Microprose i think – PC (buggy, save often)
Conflict: Middle East – ??? – PC (DOS)
Castles II – ??? – PC (DOS, not purely turn-based, but largely)
Acquire – mult. versions by mult. companies – several platform (Business sim, but strategy skills help… same as AH’s board game)
Solar Wars – http://members.bellatlantic.net/~jme69/solarwars.htm – freeware! Windows
Master of Orion – Microprose – PC. (I like MOO and MOO2, but MOO3 was a disappointment)
Conquest – multiple ports – multiple platforms (PC (Windows console) at http://www.simtel.net/pub/pd/60586.html)

I may think of more later.

I fail to see how anti-Muslim sentiment is racist. There is no Muslim race. Muslims are Arabs, Persians, Turks, Africans, Afro-Caucasians, etc. Some are even Caucasians. It may be a prejudiced sentiment, but it’s not racism. The Palestinians and Jews are both Semites, for goodness sake. Race and religion often have nothing to do with one another. This is one of those cases.

Why choose NYC as a site for an Al-Qaeda attack when there as many Muslims in NYC as there are in the largest cities of some other countries? Because NYC is mostly white people instead of brown? Because there’s alarge Jewish population, too? Because it’s easily noticed and is centrla to the Western way of life? Because the building hit were the tallest in the world, and in the opionion of the attackers showed a Babel-style pride?

Please don’t tell me that anyone seriously believes it’s because NYC is a haven for white people, if there actually are still more white than nonwhite people in NYC. It’s not racism. It’s religion. It’s politics. It’s economics. It’s a lot of things. It’s not racism.

A few questions for those talkign about Hitler’s book being overlooeked: Was Mein Kampf widely printed in 1934? What languages had it been translated to by that time? Is it the responsibility of the intelligence agencies (which were mainloy military intelligence at the time – for example, the CIA didn’t exist in the US at the time) that the danger wasn’t pointed out to the leaders of the nations or the fault of the leaders of the nations for not having the information? OR did they really have the info and just not pay attention?

I’m asking seriously.

I have yet to see enough proof to convince me that CC was personally guilty of rape or of dismemberment. Dismemberment of theives and of slaves was rather common. I do consider slavery wrong. I do consider CC wrong for enslaving people.

I also have to give him some slack for operating under the prevalent assumption of his time that some people were important and some weren’t. I don’t think it makes him right or anyone else right to have done it. It was bad then, but it would be far worse for someone raised with today’s principles to do the same thing.

Columbus isn’t just honored for accidentally finding the West Indies. He’s honored for stating that the world is round and then making a discovery based on that. He stood up against one firm belief of his period – one that men had been excommunicated and even killed over. I don’t think we can hold one man to the standard of breaking with his entire culture in two such massively important issues until we each have at least done so on one count.

My thoughts almost exactly. The UK is within stricking distance of Germany, which is exciting. Germany rarely has a chance to strike at the UK homeland unless it gets to be a very long game. The Allies can help the UK out with the colonies. The UK can even afford to take some early losses among its colonies if the US can manage to limit them and take some of them back for the UK (assuming you’re playing that allied recaptures count toward the original country’s income).

I personally always put the newbie on the UK unless the newbie demands to play a particular country. It takes some convincing to let a newbie play Russia or Japan, I almost never give them Germany or the US, no matter their protests. They can learn those after playing a time or five.

I disagree both with those who says this is about oil and those who say that we would’ve used force earlier if it was abut oil.

If it was about oil, we would’ve never asked for sanctions against Iraq which kept it from selling oil to us and never would’ve boycotted Iraqiu oil in accordance with those sanctions. Saddam Hussein had no qualms about selling oil to the US at any time. Even if he did have a problem with it for any reason, he would have much rather sell the US cheap oil than have his wealth and power taken from him.

There has been no attack on Venezuela, which provides roughly twenty times as uch oil to the US as does Iraq, and whose labor strikes caused a signifigant rise in crude and gasoline prices here in the States.

This is about the fact that Saddam Hussein is an aggressive, cruel man who does not restrain himself or his methods when he wishes to acheive a goal and the fact that men like that should not have the means to kill millions of people and cripple the free world.

Yes, the US, Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Ukraine, China, India, Israel, and Pakistan have WMD. Which of them have used them on their people or in a recent war? Which of them kills extended families wholesale for the beliefs of one person in the family? Not even China or Pakistan do this, and their human rights records are far from stellar. Which of these countries openly finance suicide bombers? The answer to all of these questions in NONE of them. This is why Iraq is different– because Iraq really is different.

Hear, Hear! That’s a fine point. I personally have nothing against any of the people named in this thread, as I have not experienced life in their times or circumstances. I do know that no one is perfect, and that some of the imperfections mentioned here are big ones. But, it is not mine to judge.

Now, if someone did what Columbus did today, it would be met with a much different reaction not because we are better people per se but because we have different standards for ourselves and for one another than the norm at his time.

On the other hand, I have a problem with people forgiving the Nazis or the Kmehr Rouge too easily.

That’s clear enough to me. The problem is, I’ve seen all countries run out of the original tansk at one time. We often (usually) play that you can build as many stacks and as many in a stack as you can afford. That requires extra pieces or some other substitute for the original tokens.