Factory build qustion

@Darby:

I will push my luck with some other questions:

Situation: France has fallen to Germany

USA lands on French Morocco
a) There are French Troops there - do the USA place a Roundel and begin collecting income ?
b) There are No troops there - do the USA place a Roundel and begin collecting income ?

Regardless of whether there are French troops there, as long as you’re talking “French” Morocco, it will stay French until the Axis conquer it. The only way the US can ever own it, is to capture it from an Axis power that had first captured it.

@Darby:

Evolving Situation:  Later France is liberated so the USA roundel is removed and control / income becomes French again, however there are both British and US troops ( no French troops) in say Southern France at the time of French Liberation.

Next Turn Germany reconquers France

Who gets the control of Southern France which contains both British, and US troops and a French Roundel?

Regardless of which Allied troops are in Southern France when France is liberated, and regardless which Allied power holds it at the time, control immediately reverts to France. So any cardboard roundels are removed, leaving only the French roundel that’s printed on the board. So France still has Southern France, even though it has little use for it.

This very situation is often a reason for the US and/or UK not to liberate France - or at least, not to hurry doing so. First, if they lose it again to Germany, the Germans will collect the French income. Second, before they liberated France, the other Allies (especially the US) could use the factories in Normandy-Bordeaux and in Southern France to produce much-needed units on the spot, and they lose that option (plus the IPC income) once those areas revert to France. So think twice before you rush in to have that triumphal march down Champs Elysees!

I have Pacific 00’, so those Green Mean Marines have been waiting for re-deployment for years. :)

Ah got you.  Thanks for quick response.

Yes, a Japanese destroyer in SZ 16.

You’ve got three responses available to the US that I am aware of:

1: Move your entire fleet into SZ 16 to kill the blocker. Units can also come directly from the US west coast to SZ 15, meaning everything can converge on SZ 6 in the following round (or to Wake/Hawaii if you somehow scare them away (or perhaps midway if they put a naval base there)). If nothing else, you know for sure they’re coming.

And:

2: Sending planes to kill it. 1/3 chance they lose a 10 IPC plane. Basically a 3/3 chance Japan loses an 8 IPC destroyer.

3: Actually sending a submarine or destroyer to kill it along with planes. (This is not a very smart play if America has enough planes for #2 alone to be viable, but some people don’t realize this.)

(4: Staging on Midway on a new naval base instead, but like I said, this is kinda silly for America and great for Japan unless they weren’t able to hit your destroyer block on the turn before for some reason.)

#'s 2 and 3 are very annoying, and not great for Japan, and are obviously not very sustainable, so this is why the destroyer block is something you should only do when necessary.

This is why I like to keep 1-3 fighters (usually 3) on Japan proper and build, or at least keep, one or two boats there per turn. If America does want to come swooping in to SZ 6, they are going to need enough to get through 1-2 boats and fighters. This means they must either over-invest (because you didn’t scramble), or they under-invest and then you kill them for (hopefully) a decent ratio when you do scramble. If they over-invest, kamikazes are an option (see edit), but maybe more importantly it means that whatever they sent to stand up to your boats/planes is now within range for a super nice counterattack with subs/planes.

Obvious times when the destroyer block is worth it:
-America has enough transports on Hawaii to make Japan worry about its capital, or potentially Korea.
-Japan built a lot of navy (more than one or two boats) on SZ 6 and wants to keep it alive.

Moreover, buying 1-2 boats a round off of Japan and keeping planes there means that if america tries to pre-block you in SZ 16 (moving in, say, some amount of destroyers to SZ 16 and SZ 25 while his fleet is coming from Panama/Sydney, to in effect block your attempts to block him with only a simple destroyer of your own), you have boats and planes available to you to destroy his block-blocker in SZ 16 and remain able to delay him for a round.

I keep 1-3 fighters there starting from J1, and begin building 1-2 boats there J3+ in most instances.

edit-
Last bit of advice: If you think there’s a good chance America is going to bring in a lot of navy on its noncom to SZ 6 after attacking it with a smaller force (or they telegraph this intention by bringing a lot of planes to the fight in SZ6), and Japan is sitting on FIC/Philipines with all of its navy/air in range to attack on the very next round, do not be stingy with your Kamikazes. If you can destroy even one more destroyer before the big navy clash, that can swing the probability by something like 5 (+/- 2)%. The entire Pacific depends on a massive fight such as this. 1% would be worth it, let alone more, and you might even hit multiple boats if you’re a lucky b��t��d. When it’s crunch time, smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I agree with Zhukov44. A lot depends on what the Axis does.
If the US decides to go JF, I will go with 2 carriers, 1 battleship all placed in SZ 10. What’s more, I have the US fighter in Philippines fly it’s way back to land on the carriers when they are moved to SZ 26. By round 3, the US should have 3 full carriers, 2 battleships and a number of smaller warships along with 3 loaded transports all staged either by Hawaii or Queensland.

If the US decides to go GF, my US buys tend to alternate between bombers and ships.

@Herr:

Thanks for the debate and the clarification, gentlemen - Krieghund especially. No intentional overbuying, then. Vanished are my hopes to have a somewhat evil rule exploit named after me….

Keep trying, you may get there someday!

@KillOFzee:

i have a question, if i buy a minor IC as Italy, and the same turn I take Egypt, can I place it directly in Egypt, or do I have to hold it a whole turn.

You can only place ICs in territories that you controlled at the beginning of your turn.  You would either have to place that Minor IC on another territory worth 2 IPCs or more, or sell it back to the “bank” and buy it next round.  Then you could place it on Egypt, assuming Britain didn’t take it back.

@RedHunter:

I have a few problems with all of this as follows…

1. As pointed out the Uk has no reason to declare on Japan…the USA player would kill the brit player if they did that. This would be a case of the allied players not talking to each other. In which case they are going to lose anyway.

2. The USA player can’t be so stupid as to disreguard threats near them, you can’t suprise them really. Again if the USA player is that stupid you don’t need weird tactics to beat them, you can beat them straight up through tactics.

1: You no longer need UK to declare war on Japan. See reply number 32 for explanation. Japan is free to fly over UK territories while neutral. This does not cause a declaration of war, per Krieghund.

2: You no longer need to surprise the US. In fact, it appears that keeping US neutral 3 turns prohibits them from being able to stop this air force move.

Finally, the only player able to stop/impact this, is USSR. They need to shove 12 units to Siberia turn 1, to threaten a take back of Soviet far East. Japan should lose 2 air units and 2 ground units destroying this force on J2. This is not likely, as Japan hasn’t started the game yet, so they would have to “guess” that Japan is going this route and expose a large portion of their starting Eastern forces to a Japanese invasion.

This post is regarding moving the starting Japanese air force to German occupied Alberta. It is not an argument for just America first. It is a discussion for how to always be able to get the air force to the Atlantic. America first may have a lot of problems yet to be resolved. This is one less problem.