Straight of Gibraltar

@Driel310:

@FieldMarshalGames:

Reading the true neutral rules, I don’t believe Germany wants to control Spain. The price is very high.

Spain is a true neutral? I’d have expected them to be pro-Axis. Then again, just moving one infantry into Spain and thereby taking control of it would have been a bit too easy. Also, Franco categorically denied german passage through Spain.On the other hand, they did send the blue Division to Russia.

This is definately a rule that has been long needed for the game, but without any form of defence for Gibraltar it seems like an easy take for the Axis? If Germany is able to wipe out the U.K. fleet on G1 as people are suggesting then it sounds like an easy grab for Italy that has long lasting consequences for the Med… G2 would have perhaps a fighter or two landing there thus ensuring a real fight for the allies to retake it and keeping the Italian fleet safe from Allied Naval units.  It’s like fortifying the Carolinas on PAC40 it can hold back the Allies for several extra rounds that make all the difference.

UK needs Gibralter to shuttle down aircraft to MED and N Africa quickly. it would be wise for Italy to take Gibralter right away to stop this and deter UK navy from entering MED.

Which would prevent Italy from camping their fleet by Egypt, thus changing many things. (India, middle east, etc.)

@BadSpeller:

Which would prevent Italy from camping their fleet by Egypt, thus changing many things. (India, middle east, etc.)

Yes definitley, and again all I have to say is MALTA, MALTA,MALTA!!

@lnmajor:

@BadSpeller:

Which would prevent Italy from camping their fleet by Egypt, thus changing many things. (India, middle east, etc.)

Yes definitley, and again all I have to say is MALTA, MALTA,MALTA!!

Not to be confused with the “Marsha, Marsha, Marsha” Brady Bunch quote. :-D

Ah yes,…and Malta!

definitley can be a game changer

Just wondering did Germany or Italy ever invaded Gibraltar or Malta?

Both locations were bombed often by the axis….I think Malta earned the nickname “most bombed place on earth”

@Dylan:

Just wondering did Germany or Italy ever invaded Gibraltar or Malta?

If you are interested in more information, Wikipedia has good articles on the German plans to attack these targets. These operations were not undertaken, but there is some fascinating history there.

• The plans for Gibraltar were called Operation Herkules

• Malta plans: Operation Felix

@FieldMarshalGames:

My only concern (and maybe a house rule will have to be made) is that Subs should be able to go through…  Both Allied and Axis Submarines went through during the war.

I seem to recall reading somewhere on these boards that subs are allowed to pass through enemy controlled straights.

Does anyone know why morocco is not required as well for a strait crossing?

@FieldMarshalGames:

@cond1024:

@FieldMarshalGames:

My only concern (and maybe a house rule will have to be made) is that Subs should be able to go through…  Both Allied and Axis Submarines went through during the war.

I seem to recall reading somewhere on these boards that subs are allowed to pass through enemy controlled straights.

If that is the case please confirm as I don’t recall hearing that.

With all the posts I have been reading about this game between here and Larry’s site I don’t remeber exactly where I saw it.  I looked back through several posts but could not find the reference.  Lets ask one of the guys that have already played.

@The:

Does anyone know why morocco is not required as well for a strait crossing?

Because Gibraltar had guns that would shoot at ships that tried to cross. Morocco didn’t

From Krieghund

@Krieghund:

@cond1024:

Quick rules question for you, are subs able to pass through enemy controlled straits?

Only Gibraltar.

So subs are able to pass through Gibraltar interesting 1 rule exception, but on a similar topic one Italian strategy i was thinking of would be to capture Gibraltar early on, before US enters the war. US will inevitably try to liberate Africa, Morocco is 3 spaces away from the eastern USA naval base and a quick drop point for boatloads of soldiers, but what if Italy took Gibraltar and never occupied Morocco? Morocco would remain a useless French territory and without a naval base to help the US transport return in one turn this move could slow a US liberation of the entire continent. Troops would either have to be shuck over from southeast Mexico in 1 turn or some Brazil-French West Africa Strategy would be used. Just a thought, would Italy really miss that 1 extra IPC?