French figures–-less than what a normal power would get?

@LHoffman:

@calvinhobbesliker:

The French Resistance rule is now put 4 inf in paris the 1st time it’s liberated

Is that a National Advantage then? Will there be optional NAs in Global 40? Or are we talking about House Rules here?

I remember National Adv. from Revised but they haven’t been included in any game since then, so my little group has sort of ignored/forgotten about them.

I think it’s a standard rule

@calvinhobbesliker:

I think it’s a standard rule

Oh… didn’t know that.

@LHoffman:

I’d just figure that since France isn’t a main line combatant, they wouldn’t have as many figures as, say, Britain, but I would think they still get all the unit types.

I thought I saw somewhere in the “facts” that the only French sculpt is infantry.

Now I don’t know if that means that they’ll be blue Shermans (for instance) in the French arsenal or what.

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@allboxcars:

@LHoffman:

I’d just figure that since France isn’t a main line combatant, they wouldn’t have as many figures as, say, Britain, but I would think they still get all the unit types.

I thought I saw somewhere in the “facts” that the only French sculpt is infantry.

Now I don’t know if that means that they’ll be blue Shermans (for instance) in the French arsenal or what.

Yeah, I heard that too, but I thought in that picture of the map we have seen the French have more than just infantry. Maybe I am seeing things.

And I would assume also… or at least HOPE… that they would have the French Navy on the Board to start with. France did have a first rate Navy to start the war… buuuutttt… then the British had to scuttle them so the Germans couldn’t use them. It would be interesting to see how that fact is approached by the game designers.

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

@LHoffman:

@allboxcars:

@LHoffman:

I’d just figure that since France isn’t a main line combatant, they wouldn’t have as many figures as, say, Britain, but I would think they still get all the unit types.

I thought I saw somewhere in the “facts” that the only French sculpt is infantry.

Now I don’t know if that means that they’ll be blue Shermans (for instance) in the French arsenal or what.

Yeah, I heard that too, but I thought in that picture of the map we have seen the French have more than just infantry. Maybe I am seeing things.

And I would assume also… or at least HOPE… that they would have the French Navy on the Board to start with. France did have a first rate Navy to start the war… buuuutttt… then the British had to scuttle them so the Germans couldn’t use them. It would be interesting to see how that fact is approached by the game designers.

yes I’m wondering if that talk about “only infantry” is a “criticism” from the gamers who want to see Nation specific for everything and cringe at the thought of a blue Spitfire…

And definitely agree the French should have some naval muscle… mind you then I start leaning towards a scuttle rule and Vichy… KISS is drawn into the abyss of those terrible historical “ifs”.

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@Razor:

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

The game does start after Dunkirk.

However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.

I would hope the French get just as many pieces as ANZAC, or more.  I don’t think they should get a really small number of pieces because the creators assume Germany attacks France on the first turn.  Not everyone plays as competitively as some of those in the extreme.  We might like to goof off and attack Russia first or attempt Operation Sea Lion.  Or we’d like to leave France alive to see what they could’ve done if Germany had tried a Reverse Sheifflin plan.  The game creators shouldn’t pigeonhole a player into his strategy by jipping us on pieces, or operate on assumptions that everyone wants to play according to what happened in WWII.

@brettstarr4:

I would hope the French get just as many pieces as ANZAC, or more.  I don’t think they should get a really small number of pieces because the creators assume Germany attacks France on the first turn.  Not everyone plays as competitively as some of those in the extreme. The game creators shouldn’t pigeonhole a player into his strategy by jipping us on pieces, or operate on assumptions that everyone wants to play according to what happened in WWII.

Hey I agree! I always play to win… so that would probably rule out ignoring France, but I believe the game creators should give you the option by giving you enough pieces. I think that is good justification for more pieces… not that this will convince anyone at WOTC. I am sure they wish to save and make as much money as possible.

I don’t think the Allies would automatically win if France wasn’t eliminated on the first round. Russia will probably start out pretty weak and won’t threaten Germany for a few turns. Plus there shouldn’t be many units in the UK to cause Germany any problems.

I don’t want France to be a complete walkover for the entire game. I’d like it of they at least took a part in some African battles, as they did in the actual war, and I want them to have a respectable navy. I think the best rule would be one similar to China’s: were, even if they loose their capital, they can still collect IPCs and build infantry and artillery in their African colonies

@squirecam:

@Razor:

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

The game does start after Dunkirk.

However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.

I did some research last night and found out that the if the French are in control of their country at the start of the game … then the French Navy MUST still be “alive”.

The game starts befor the fall of France. This still leaves reasonable assumption that Dunkirk has happened (May 24-26 1940). French resistance ended on June 25. The British bombardment of the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kebir  happened on July 4 (70 years ago tomorrow, interstingly enough).

Based on this information, French ships should still be present at the start of the game. They cannot say the game starts after Dunkirk AND the scuttling of the French Fleet. It is impossible because France is autonomous at the start of the game. I for one hope that France has ships and something can be done with them. Either the French person keeps them, the British can sink them or the Germans can use them, I don’t care. As long as they are there.

@LHoffman:

@squirecam:

@Razor:

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

The game does start after Dunkirk.

However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.

I did some research last night and found out that the if the French are in control of their country at the start of the game … then the French Navy MUST still be “alive”.

The game starts befor the fall of France. This still leaves reasonable assumption that Dunkirk has happened (May 24-26 1940). French resistance ended on June 25. The British bombardment of the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kebir  happened on July 4 (70 years ago tomorrow, interstingly enough).

Based on this information, French ships should still be present at the start of the game. They cannot say the game starts after Dunkirk AND the scuttling of the French Fleet. It is impossible because France is autonomous at the start of the game. I for one hope that France has ships and something can be done with them. Either the French person keeps them, the British can sink them or the Germans can use them, I don’t care. As long as they are there.

Actually, that was on the 3rd of July

@calvinhobbesliker:

@LHoffman:

@squirecam:

@Razor:

Easy, the game start after the Dunkirk evacuation and after the French navy was scuttled. There is no other way to do it.

The game does start after Dunkirk.

However, whether the French are “well represented” or not….they are finished after 1 round. If Germany doesnt do that, then this would be a QUICK allied victory.

I did some research last night and found out that the if the French are in control of their country at the start of the game … then the French Navy MUST still be “alive”.

The game starts befor the fall of France. This still leaves reasonable assumption that Dunkirk has happened (May 24-26 1940). French resistance ended on June 25. The British bombardment of the French Fleet at Mers-el-Kebir  happened on July 4 (70 years ago tomorrow, interstingly enough).

Based on this information, French ships should still be present at the start of the game. They cannot say the game starts after Dunkirk AND the scuttling of the French Fleet. It is impossible because France is autonomous at the start of the game. I for one hope that France has ships and something can be done with them. Either the French person keeps them, the British can sink them or the Germans can use them, I don’t care. As long as they are there.

Actually, that was on the 3rd of July

Oh my mistake… so 70 years ago today. The book I got the information from said July 4.