Europe 1940 shows up on Wizards site…with screenshot

@calvinhobbesliker:

@SAS:

So I’m counting 25 or 26 neutral territories, counting Switzerland (which most likely will be impassable like the Himalayas are in the Pacific map and as Sahara appears to be) Ireland (which will probably be worthless to invade regardless except in some crazy Sea Lion scheme), and the possible second Turkish territory adjacent to Caucasus (if it is a second territory, it doesn’t spawn infantry as there is no black symbol that I can see, but the non-spawning Mongolian territories don’t have that symbol), and not counting the Russian marshlands or the Sahara; 14 of those have a black symbol meaning they spawn infantry while a bunch of those in South America appear not to.  Finland appears to be neutral, though it may be German… :?  The apparent empty second Turkish territory would mean that Russia could potentially blitz right up to the main Turkish territory and close of the Dardanelles rather easily.

Also, I don’t see any distinctive features marking them as pro-Axis or pro-Allies or true neutrals. :|  I’m guessing there’ll be a list in the rulebook?  I think Brazil is greenish simply because of the coloring for the Amazon rainforest(?).  It appears to me that the neutral territories simply have a whitish/lighter shade to the “natural” color of the landscape (as all the other territories have a shading reflecting the controlling power, but still vary according to landscape).

I think 15 spawn inf, assuming Spain does(an Italian tank is covering Spain)

I did count Brazil, which is why I mentioned it in the second paragraph (it has a black infantry spawn symbol), and I did count Spain as well for both total number of neutrals and those that spawn infantry (I also assume the Italian tank is covering the black infantry symbol).

@cminke:

I think Brazil is greenish simply because of the coloring for the Amazon rainforest(?).

i think it is because of they are pro allied(usa, thus the green)

hey calvinhobbesliker congrats on the 1000th post! :wink:

Except that all of the South American neutrals are greenish, and (as is made clear in previous A&A games) not all of them were pro-Allies.  That’s what brought up the question for me about how we are to know which of the neutrals are pro-Axis or pro-Allies or neither.

@cminke:

I think Brazil is greenish simply because of the coloring for the Amazon rainforest(?).

i think it is because of they are pro allied(usa, thus the green)

hey calvinhobbesliker congrats on the 1000th post! :wink:

Thanks.

@calvinhobbesliker:

I count over 20 Soviet territories. This is more than the entire Soviet Union in AA50-41. Add that to the 9 on the Pacific board and this game will have a massive Eastern front

Interesting.  Let’s assume 30 territories for the USSR, then, and let’s further assume that each one has a minimum value of 1 (given that every territory in Siberia has a 1 IPC value, I don’t expect any of the Europe board USSR territories to have 0 value).  Further, let’s assume that the USSR has a major IC in Russia, major IC in Caucasus (Stalingrad) and minor IC in Karelia, then those territories have minimum values of 3, 3, and 2, respectively.  With all of those assumptions, the minimum USSR income is 35 IPCs.  Realistically, I would expect those three territories to be higher, as well as to have a few other 2 value territories.  Therefore, I expect that USSR’s starting income is a healthy 40.  Just think what that means for the other powers.

@SAS:

@cminke:

I think Brazil is greenish simply because of the coloring for the Amazon rainforest(?).

i think it is because of they are pro allied(usa, thus the green)

hey calvinhobbesliker congrats on the 1000th post! :wink:

Except that all of the South American neutrals are greenish, and (as is made clear in previous A&A games) not all of them were pro-Allies.  That’s what brought up the question for me about how we are to know which of the neutrals are pro-Axis or pro-Allies or neither.

I think there are 17:

Argebtina, Brazil, Venezuela, Angola, Mozambique, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Western Iran, Eastern Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, Greece, Yugoslavia, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland. Maybe Ireland, but I can’t see it.

Is Northern Ireland a separate territory? if no, does it mean that ireland can be invaded from the British mainland?

@purplebaron:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I count over 20 Soviet territories. This is more than the entire Soviet Union in AA50-41. Add that to the 9 on the Pacific board and this game will have a massive Eastern front

Interesting.  Let’s assume 30 territories for the USSR, then, and let’s further assume that each one has a minimum value of 1 (given that every territory in Siberia has a 1 IPC value, I don’t expect any of the Europe board USSR territories to have 0 value).  Further, let’s assume that the USSR has a major IC in Russia, major IC in Caucasus (Stalingrad) and minor IC in Karelia, then those territories have minimum values of 3, 3, and 2, respectively.  With all of those assumptions, the minimum USSR income is 35 IPCs.  Realistically, I would expect those three territories to be higher, as well as to have a few other 2 value territories.  Therefore, I expect that USSR’s starting income is a healthy 40.  Just think what that means for the other powers.

Caucusus is probably 3 (it looks like that on the map), but Russia is probably 6 or 8. So, it may be up to 45, and even higher with NO’s. Larry said it gets 6 ipc’s for every German tt it has, so if Russia captures 2 2 ipc german tt, it’s income will be over 60! Add to that the Russian NO for Archangel and no allied units, and you get 65. Germany can’t be defensive and wait for Japan; it must kill Russia by itself, with help from italy.

@cminke:

I think Brazil is greenish simply because of the coloring for the Amazon rainforest(?).

i think it is because of they are pro allied(usa, thus the green)

hey calvinhobbesliker congrats on the 1000th post! :wink:

Besides, the stated neutral rules from LH have been that whichever power invades and takes over the neutral territory gets the IPCs; that wouldn’t allow for neutrals to be aligned to a specific power like the USA, so why should it be green for that reason?  I think it’s just green because of the vegetation.  Being green for the US doesn’t fit with the stated rules.

@calvinhobbesliker:

@SAS:

@cminke:

I think Brazil is greenish simply because of the coloring for the Amazon rainforest(?).

i think it is because of they are pro allied(usa, thus the green)

hey calvinhobbesliker congrats on the 1000th post! :wink:

Except that all of the South American neutrals are greenish, and (as is made clear in previous A&A games) not all of them were pro-Allies.  That’s what brought up the question for me about how we are to know which of the neutrals are pro-Axis or pro-Allies or neither.

I think there are 17:

Argebtina, Brazil, Venezuela, Angola, Mozambique, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Western Iran, Eastern Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, Greece, Yugoslavia, Spain, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland. Maybe Ireland, but I can’t see it.

Is Northern Ireland a separate territory? if no, does it mean that ireland can be invaded from the British mainland?

17 total neutral territories or 17 that spawn infantry?  Ireland/Eire is still colored whitish in the photo, though I’m of the opinion that it will either be impassable as Switzerland (which you included in your list of 17) is, or it will just be a true neutral with 0 IPC value, which would make it relatively worthless to invade regardless.  Previously in AE and AA42 Northern Ireland was shaded tannish/yellowish, marking it part of the UK, but it was (and I think, still will be) like Formosa where because it is still in the same sea zone as the other more important territory, it doesn’t serve much strategic value.  Krieg actually ruled previously that Northern Ireland counts in AE as a separate territory from Great Britain proper, but no one ever treats it that way or uses it because there isn’t much point.

Like I said previously, I can only see it being worthwhile to invade if Germany/Italy go Sea Lion, knock out the UK/US/French navy, but can’t immediately crack Great Britain proper, and then maybe it would somehow be worthwhile to land in Eire to put extra units there.  Though even with the modified map, I don’t (at least currently) see why you couldn’t just mass your troops in France anyway and just bring them across the channel as usual.  Perhaps the US might use it to help crack an Axis defense of Great Britain after a Sea Lion takeover, but again, that’s still not immediately helpful… :|

@calvinhobbesliker:

@purplebaron:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I count over 20 Soviet territories. This is more than the entire Soviet Union in AA50-41. Add that to the 9 on the Pacific board and this game will have a massive Eastern front

Interesting.  Let’s assume 30 territories for the USSR, then, and let’s further assume that each one has a minimum value of 1 (given that every territory in Siberia has a 1 IPC value, I don’t expect any of the Europe board USSR territories to have 0 value).  Further, let’s assume that the USSR has a major IC in Russia, major IC in Caucasus (Stalingrad) and minor IC in Karelia, then those territories have minimum values of 3, 3, and 2, respectively.  With all of those assumptions, the minimum USSR income is 35 IPCs.  Realistically, I would expect those three territories to be higher, as well as to have a few other 2 value territories.  Therefore, I expect that USSR’s starting income is a healthy 40.  Just think what that means for the other powers.

Caucusus is probably 3 (it looks like that on the map), but Russia is probably 6 or 8. So, it may be up to 45, and even higher with NO’s. Larry said it gets 6 ipc’s for every German tt it has, so if Russia captures 2 2 ipc german tt, it’s income will be over 60! Add to that the Russian NO for Archangel and no allied units, and you get 65. Germany can’t be defensive and wait for Japan; it must kill Russia by itself, with help from italy.

He said you’d get 6ipcs for every German territory you control if you own all Russian territories.

SAS, I meant those that spawn
What does AE mean?

@finnman:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@purplebaron:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I count over 20 Soviet territories. This is more than the entire Soviet Union in AA50-41. Add that to the 9 on the Pacific board and this game will have a massive Eastern front

Interesting.  Let’s assume 30 territories for the USSR, then, and let’s further assume that each one has a minimum value of 1 (given that every territory in Siberia has a 1 IPC value, I don’t expect any of the Europe board USSR territories to have 0 value).  Further, let’s assume that the USSR has a major IC in Russia, major IC in Caucasus (Stalingrad) and minor IC in Karelia, then those territories have minimum values of 3, 3, and 2, respectively.  With all of those assumptions, the minimum USSR income is 35 IPCs.  Realistically, I would expect those three territories to be higher, as well as to have a few other 2 value territories.  Therefore, I expect that USSR’s starting income is a healthy 40.  Just think what that means for the other powers.

Caucusus is probably 3 (it looks like that on the map), but Russia is probably 6 or 8. So, it may be up to 45, and even higher with NO’s. Larry said it gets 6 ipc’s for every German tt it has, so if Russia captures 2 2 ipc german tt, it’s income will be over 60! Add to that the Russian NO for Archangel and no allied units, and you get 65. Germany can’t be defensive and wait for Japan; it must kill Russia by itself, with help from italy.

He said you’d get 6ipcs for every German territory you control if you own all Russian territories.

Do you still get the money from Russia’s territories, and does this include the ones in Pacific too if your playing the world game?

@finnman:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@purplebaron:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I count over 20 Soviet territories. This is more than the entire Soviet Union in AA50-41. Add that to the 9 on the Pacific board and this game will have a massive Eastern front

Interesting.  Let’s assume 30 territories for the USSR, then, and let’s further assume that each one has a minimum value of 1 (given that every territory in Siberia has a 1 IPC value, I don’t expect any of the Europe board USSR territories to have 0 value).  Further, let’s assume that the USSR has a major IC in Russia, major IC in Caucasus (Stalingrad) and minor IC in Karelia, then those territories have minimum values of 3, 3, and 2, respectively.  With all of those assumptions, the minimum USSR income is 35 IPCs.  Realistically, I would expect those three territories to be higher, as well as to have a few other 2 value territories.  Therefore, I expect that USSR’s starting income is a healthy 40.  Just think what that means for the other powers.

Caucusus is probably 3 (it looks like that on the map), but Russia is probably 6 or 8. So, it may be up to 45, and even higher with NO’s. Larry said it gets 6 ipc’s for every German tt it has, so if Russia captures 2 2 ipc german tt, it’s income will be over 60! Add to that the Russian NO for Archangel and no allied units, and you get 65. Germany can’t be defensive and wait for Japan; it must kill Russia by itself, with help from italy.

He said you’d get 6ipcs for every German territory you control if you own all Russian territories.

Well, if Russia has captured German tt, it usually has all its western tt. Maybe Japan can invade 1 tt, but that may start war with the US

@calvinhobbesliker:

@cminke:

I think Brazil is greenish simply because of the coloring for the Amazon rainforest(?).

i think it is because of they are pro allied(usa, thus the green)

hey calvinhobbesliker congrats on the 1000th post! :wink:

Thanks.

Now your an airplane

@Dylan:

@finnman:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@purplebaron:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I count over 20 Soviet territories. This is more than the entire Soviet Union in AA50-41. Add that to the 9 on the Pacific board and this game will have a massive Eastern front

Interesting.  Let’s assume 30 territories for the USSR, then, and let’s further assume that each one has a minimum value of 1 (given that every territory in Siberia has a 1 IPC value, I don’t expect any of the Europe board USSR territories to have 0 value).  Further, let’s assume that the USSR has a major IC in Russia, major IC in Caucasus (Stalingrad) and minor IC in Karelia, then those territories have minimum values of 3, 3, and 2, respectively.  With all of those assumptions, the minimum USSR income is 35 IPCs.  Realistically, I would expect those three territories to be higher, as well as to have a few other 2 value territories.  Therefore, I expect that USSR’s starting income is a healthy 40.  Just think what that means for the other powers.

Caucusus is probably 3 (it looks like that on the map), but Russia is probably 6 or 8. So, it may be up to 45, and even higher with NO’s. Larry said it gets 6 ipc’s for every German tt it has, so if Russia captures 2 2 ipc german tt, it’s income will be over 60! Add to that the Russian NO for Archangel and no allied units, and you get 65. Germany can’t be defensive and wait for Japan; it must kill Russia by itself, with help from italy.

He said you’d get 6ipcs for every German territory you control if you own all Russian territories.

Do you still get the money from Russia’s territories, and does this include the ones in Pacific too if your playing the world game?

I think so

@Dylan:

@finnman:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@purplebaron:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I count over 20 Soviet territories. This is more than the entire Soviet Union in AA50-41. Add that to the 9 on the Pacific board and this game will have a massive Eastern front

Interesting.  Let’s assume 30 territories for the USSR, then, and let’s further assume that each one has a minimum value of 1 (given that every territory in Siberia has a 1 IPC value, I don’t expect any of the Europe board USSR territories to have 0 value).  Further, let’s assume that the USSR has a major IC in Russia, major IC in Caucasus (Stalingrad) and minor IC in Karelia, then those territories have minimum values of 3, 3, and 2, respectively.  With all of those assumptions, the minimum USSR income is 35 IPCs.  Realistically, I would expect those three territories to be higher, as well as to have a few other 2 value territories.  Therefore, I expect that USSR’s starting income is a healthy 40.  Just think what that means for the other powers.

Caucusus is probably 3 (it looks like that on the map), but Russia is probably 6 or 8. So, it may be up to 45, and even higher with NO’s. Larry said it gets 6 ipc’s for every German tt it has, so if Russia captures 2 2 ipc german tt, it’s income will be over 60! Add to that the Russian NO for Archangel and no allied units, and you get 65. Germany can’t be defensive and wait for Japan; it must kill Russia by itself, with help from italy.

He said you’d get 6ipcs for every German territory you control if you own all Russian territories.

Do you still get the money from Russia’s territories, and does this include the ones in Pacific too if your playing the world game?

Yes and Yes from what I understand. So Japan can pluck one territory and you will lose the bonus.

@finnman:

@Dylan:

@finnman:

@calvinhobbesliker:

@purplebaron:

@calvinhobbesliker:

I count over 20 Soviet territories. This is more than the entire Soviet Union in AA50-41. Add that to the 9 on the Pacific board and this game will have a massive Eastern front

Interesting.  Let’s assume 30 territories for the USSR, then, and let’s further assume that each one has a minimum value of 1 (given that every territory in Siberia has a 1 IPC value, I don’t expect any of the Europe board USSR territories to have 0 value).  Further, let’s assume that the USSR has a major IC in Russia, major IC in Caucasus (Stalingrad) and minor IC in Karelia, then those territories have minimum values of 3, 3, and 2, respectively.  With all of those assumptions, the minimum USSR income is 35 IPCs.  Realistically, I would expect those three territories to be higher, as well as to have a few other 2 value territories.  Therefore, I expect that USSR’s starting income is a healthy 40.  Just think what that means for the other powers.

Caucusus is probably 3 (it looks like that on the map), but Russia is probably 6 or 8. So, it may be up to 45, and even higher with NO’s. Larry said it gets 6 ipc’s for every German tt it has, so if Russia captures 2 2 ipc german tt, it’s income will be over 60! Add to that the Russian NO for Archangel and no allied units, and you get 65. Germany can’t be defensive and wait for Japan; it must kill Russia by itself, with help from italy.

He said you’d get 6ipcs for every German territory you control if you own all Russian territories.

Do you still get the money from Russia’s territories, and does this include the ones in Pacific too if your playing the world game?

Yes and Yes from what I understand. So Japan can pluck one territory and you will lose the bonus.

I would slap the Japanese player

Well that wouldn’t be very nice. Te He

Well, if Russia has captured German tt, it usually has all its western tt. Maybe Japan can invade 1 tt, but that may start war with the US

Well later in the game Germany could have got obliterated in the north and lost Poland but yet they still hold Stalingrad

@calvinhobbesliker:

SAS, I meant those that spawn
What does AE mean?

Anniversary Edition

Hmmm…  Looks like a loaded UK carrier by Spain…  Sealion fans will have their hands full.  So will Italy in the Med.  Hopefully its vulnerable to sub attacks G1 or smth.

Looking at my map of P40 and the pic of E40 I have come to the conclusion that the US sides WILL match.  Michigan can be clearly seen but you have to estimate (you can kinda see it too) a little higher with some Upper Pennisula territory and even higher still Minnesota ground- trace that across and you do get about where the West US would match up.  Being a Michigander I can possibly notice this fine point of geography.

Its just very hard to tell because the pic is at a steep angle.  The box pic is also not proportionate to the P40 box for the same reason.

Larry said he is going to call Wizards to see if he can release a better pic of the map to us and hopefully the REAL French sculpts and pieces. :-)