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Washington, San Fransisco, Ottawa, London, Moscow, Sidney

All allied capitals are intact, but all readily avalable VCs have been captured by the axis

Two more taken would be a total defeat.

The allies reduced to only 2 powers, becuase Sidney and either London or Moscow would be next

Right, but, why continue once I have 14 cities…I’ve won, after that we’re just arguing about degrees.

you have expended your army beoynd its breaking point

Lets say to capture leningrad and stalingrad, germany only built armor.
There are only sparse pockets of german units in between moscow and berlin
Leningrad and stalingrad are held by only one armor a piece

A higher number of victory cities encourages teams to play fair, you cant sacrifice protecting yourself just to take some VCs.

The game isnt fun if its just a race to get a slim VC majoirity
Its a race to get a substancial VC majority, while offering the enemy no chance to recapture any of his.

I say, “Play to the bitter end.” Do away with the VC’s.

Me and my friends usually play until one side feel defeat is inevitable. VCs are a great way to do tournaments where there is a time limit.

We’ve seen crazy scenarios like : Russia taken by Germany, France (taken by UK) + Italy taken (USA), Germany taken soon after (UK). Russia liberated fairly easily. WUSA taken (The axis knew they’ve lost UNLESS they could secure a victory in WUSA with very low probability. You know, something like USA has 20 infantry and japan only 6-8 ground units but 10 fighters, and still win (if I remember well, only 1 fighter got hit by AA gun)…). EUSA Taken shortly after… Allies concede (Will you play this game where Japan has close to 80 IPC against a 40-50 UK and 20-25 Russia? We decided the Allies couldn’t win :()

I read the same thing about Europe40 coming out in May. Any update on this being pushed back til July or after?! Please say its not so  :x

@SgtBlitz:

Or dear lord, LONDON will be going first before Ottawa falls if the game has tipped that far to the Axis!  Britain has lost most of its ipcs and is the hardest to reinforce by then, nevermind that the US player can easily retake Canada before the round is up, if British counterattacks from England can’t do the job themselves.  Ottawa is a stupid VC in Axis and Allies anyway, Washington and London are better targets endgame, and the Allied player(s) have usually given up by then too.

OK. Well, then by your logic - historical significance and RL strategic value not being that important - Washington is also a “stupid VC” as (a) London will fall first and (b) the Allied player(s) have usually given up by then.
In fact, it’s stupider since the chance of Axis holding that is even less than their chance of holding Ottawa.

Really then, looking at how the games play out as our guide, I guess there shouldn’t be any VCs in the Western Hemisphere since establishing an Axis foothold there is (a) uncommon in gaming and (b) requires such an Axis juggernaut that continuing play is futile?

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@allboxcars:

Really then, looking at how the games play out as our guide, I guess there shouldn’t be any VCs in the Western Hemisphere since establishing an Axis foothold there is (a) uncommon in gaming and (b) requires such an Axis juggernaut that continuing play is futile?

#475

Sure.  You could probably cut down the VCs necessary for endgame to 10 or something, since its so unlikely to occur.

@IceCap:

I read the same thing about Europe40 coming out in May. Any update on this being pushed back til July or after?! Please say its not so  :x

Where are you getting your information?

@Brain:

@IceCap:

I read the same thing about Europe40 coming out in May. Any update on this being pushed back til July or after?! Please say its not so  :x

Where are you getting your information?

I read this on Harrisgamedesign.com in the forums. Looking again however the question was whether it would be out by June 2010, Larry’s response was “you bet.” So i may have read it wrong the first time or read that it was coming out in May from another site that i cannot remember. Either way, the release date is still up in the air….?

@IceCap:

I read this on Harrisgamedesign.com in the forums. Looking again however the question was whether it would be out by June 2010, Larry’s response was “you bet.” So i may have read it wrong the first time or read that it was coming out in May from another site that i cannot remember. Either way, the release date is still up in the air….?

Larry dont sell this games, he just develope them. WOTC sell them, and you cant trust any date or promise from them. I remember AA50 Anniversary ed coming out half a year after the promised date of release.

I also remember a promised re-print of AA50. What happened?

Doesnt it say
“july 2010” on the back of the pacific box?
Thats good enough for me
WOTC will at least get it out either a month before or month after that

HERE ARE THE LATEST NEWS

Greg Smorey says the Global AA40 will be played at Smorey’s spring gathering april 10 2010

A thread on Smorey Swamp forum says AA 40 Europe/Global will be available in may 2010

The bottom of my AA40 Pacific box says AA40 Europe/Global will be available in july 2010

Greg Smorey says at “General Discussion” at Larrys forum LGD that AA40 E/G is deleyed until august.

These are the field roumors today.

@Razor:

HERE ARE THE LATEST NEWS

Greg Smorey says the Global AA40 will be played at Smorey’s spring gathering april 10 2010

A thread on Smorey Swamp forum says AA 40 Europe/Global will be available in may 2010

The bottom of my AA40 Pacific box says AA40 Europe/Global will be available in july 2010

Greg Smorey says at “General Discussion” at Larrys forum LGD that AA40 E/G is deleyed until august.

These are the field roumors today.

Heh, September, if AA50 is any guide to release.

Let’s just wait until Christmas and get it right.

Couldn’t agree more, mate.

This is the Spring gathering VIII 2010 weekend where Greg Smorey told us he would play a demo of his Europe and Global game. Anybody have any info/pics from that play ?
Any ?

@Razor:

This is the Spring gathering VIII 2010 weekend where Greg Smorey told us he would play a demo of his Europe and Global game. Anybody have any info/pics from that play ?
Any ?

I believe that the Europe and Global demo was cancelled.

@SgtBlitz:

@allboxcars:

Actually, personally I’ve never had a problem with the idea of Ottawa being a VC.
It’s an absolute pain to capture sure but… realistically what else would have made the US throw in the towel? 
Cairo?

Not to say Cairo shouldn’t be a VC but c’mon comparing the strategic impact… one you’re losing sleep about oil field IPCs and the Suez but the other… man you might as well start checking Amazon.com for discount English-German dictionaries!

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Meh, gives more reasons for the Allies to put troops in the center of the board rather than exist on the fringes…  The US still had awesome production advantages but if you’d have cut the Middle Eastern oil supplies to the Allies it should be reflected somehow in game.  Canada?  How in hell are the Axis realistically supposed to take and hold that for a turn?  You got both Britain and the US right there.  Canada should not be the final say on how a game ends…  “With the seizure of Ottawa, the Allied powers have conceded to the military superiority of the Axis powers and have declared a ceasefire…”  Right.

build industries in Alaska and Brazil (Japan and Italy) and take UK first then the US are alone to defend Ottawa

@oztea:

Id like to see 12 victory cities

Washington
Ottawa
London
Paris
Berlin
Warsaw
Rome
Lenningrad
Stalingrad
Moscow
Cairo
Bucharest

Making the global game total 20, The axis needing to take 14 for a minor victory, 16 for a major victory and 18 for a crushing defeat

Id also like to see a rule that if London is taken, ANZAC and Canada continue to operate normaly

Nice thinking i would choose

1. New York - USA
2. Toronto - UK/Canada
3. London - UK
4. Cairo - UK
5. Rome - Italy
6. Berlin - Germany
7. Paris - France
8. Moscow - USSR
9. Tripoli - Italy
10. Leningrad or Stalingrad - USSR
11. Warsaw - Germany
12. Dunkirk - France
13. Chicago - USA
14. Some other place? (I know thats 14)