WELL thought through and designed.
On the Existence of "God"
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I think the main problem i have with the concept of god is it is too arbitrary (i really hate arbitrary things when they are forced down our throats). Its very easy to explain something with god, or to believe in god to calm us, but why does that make it so? it doesnt. it doesnt mean there is no god of course, but since i have heard this argument from christians many times (the simplest explanation is the best), as an attempt to prove god exists, it just makes me wonder, is it really that simple? it is if you take it at face value. “God created everything. Oh, ok, problem solved.” but not really, because it really explains nothing. all it does is simplify these things into one question, the question of god, which people than believe in. my question is this, if there is a God, whose God is it? certainly not the christian god (there are too many inconsistencies), but whose?or maybe its one we dont worship. and that just opens a whole nother can of worms. frankly, i think atheism is far simpler, and if we follow the logic many christians seem to use (simplest explanation is the best), then atheism is the best explanation.
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In that case, how about the Norse gods? They always were my favorite, ahead of the Greek/Roman then the Egyptian gods. (any others, please bring to my attention)
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yea. the cool thing with them was not only could they die, but they were doomed in the end, and they knew it. they kick the greek gods ass, though in a fight, theyd lose, since they can die.
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yea. the cool thing with them was not only could they die, but they were doomed in the end, and they knew it. they kick the greek gods a**, though in a fight, theyd lose, since they can die.
I don’t think so, because their whole thing was that they were destined to die in Ragnarok, so unless the Greek gods were part of Ragnarok, I think the Norse gods would still win.
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norse gods could be killed too though. one of the Valhalla gods (i dont remember which right now) was killed by the snow giants (ice giants?)
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norse gods could be killed too though. one of the Valhalla gods (i dont remember which right now) was killed by the snow giants (ice giants?)
They were all “Valhalla” gods, that’s just the place where warriors went when they died. I don’t remember snow giants killing of any of them, except maybe at Ragnarok.
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im almost positive one was killed, ill verify that though.
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GI, the mistake was mine, again, my difficulty in transferring my thoughts to words. to sum up my feelings:
- there is no god
- religion is a terrible thing
- if you choose to believe in god, it is your own perrogative (sp?)
- your belief should not be exercised publicly
- that’s an interesting feeling. How does one feel that there is no “something”? I still don’t get that. I can understand how one can feel the presence of something, but not how one can feel the “absence” of something.
- that’s again a personal belief that millions of people would strongly react against as they have felt the opposite so strongly (try working in a hospital for a while, or in a church . . . ).
- fair enough.
- right - like beliefs in politics, etc. What country do you live in again???
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Yanny, while some of what you said is applicable, im not prepared to accept that argument from you, you are a layman (sp?). however, that is part of the christian argument in the book (“God?”), so i will comment on it when i finish
I really don’t give a damn about Christianity. You probably know much I hate the church. However, one does not need to believe in the fallacy of organized religion to believe in a higher power. Looking at the universe, I can’t concieve that, by luck, all the trillions of cosmic pieces came together to produce life. Its so mathmatically improbable, that the supernatural is simply the most reasonable explanation.
If people just accepted this and stopped trying to believe in a book written by a Roman emperor, the world would be a much better place.
ok, i’m confused . . .
the “fallacy of the church”? It appears that you are the one who does not know his history. I obviously do agree with the second part of this paragraph.
And which book was written by which Roman emperor?? -
@cystic:
ok, i’m confused . . .
the “fallacy of the church”? It appears that you are the one who does not know his history. I obviously do agree with the second part of this paragraph.
And which book was written by which Roman emperor??He is referring to Constantine issuing the bible at the Nicean Council…
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im almost positive one was killed, ill verify that though.
Yes, one was killed, but not by any frost giants. The story is a little long, though, so I’ll spare the details.
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ok, my mistake, but one did die.
CC: you seem to think that what i had said was fact, it was an opinion of mine, which you and i both pointed out.
1)its not so much an abscence of god, as simply no-god. an abscense (sp) would imply that one does or did exist, but isnt present, or is missing or something, whereas i believe there is no god, there never was a god, there never will be a god.
2)people may disagree with what i have to say, but i will say it anyway, because i truly believe it. it is not an inherently bad thing itself, and it does cause alot of good. but in my opinion, it causes enough evil, and is so unnecessary, that it is not worth it to have it
4) well, ideally, i would not have to argue politics, because there would be none to argue. however, as long as i live in America, or any society where politics exists, i will discuss it. also, politics is different from religion. arguing and discussing politics is something that almost has to be done, by the very nature of it. religion however, no matter your stance on it, does not have to be publicly discussed, some people just choose to. -
Which one died? And would you mind to cut the story short and post it?
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@F_alk:
Which one died? And would you mind to cut the story short and post it?
Baldur-I believe his claim to fame was the most beautiful god.
Anyway, there was some prophecy that he would be killed, and so his mother went through the world getting everything to promise that it wouldn’t kill him. Loki (the trickster god) appeared to Baldur’s mother in a different form and asked her whether anything hadn’t promised to kill him, and she said that she never asked the mistletoe plant, as it was so small and harmless. Loki promptly went off and made a mistletoe dart. Meanwhile, all the gods were throwing various objects at Baldur and seeing him not get hurt by any of them. Loki went up to Baldur’s blind brother Hodur? and asked him why he wasn’t joining in. Hodur replied that he was blind, and Loki said that he had a dart that Hodur could use and he would guide his arm. Hodur threw the dart, and it killed Baldur.That’s the story, as best as I can remember it.
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Hmmm…
Baldur’s death is the start of Ragnarok, that’s why there was the effort of getting everythings promise not to hurt him.
So, it’s more the faith that is already known, but hasn’t happened yet … As if it had happened, then Thor would have been dead already as well… -
Not sure if it was the start of Ragnarok, I think theres a second part to that story where they try to get everything to cry for him (Baldur) so Hel will release him. I think they find out about Loki too, and mess him up a bit.
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I named my kitten Loki 8) .
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just a small point, loki wasnt actually a god. im somewhat hazy on the details, but he was kinda like a demi-god, or son of a god, or something. im thinking somehow connected to the frost giants, but that has no basis. anyway, ill double check on exactly what.
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cystic crypt wrote:
ok, i’m confused . . .
the “fallacy of the church”? It appears that you are the one who does not know his history. I obviously do agree with the second part of this paragraph.
And which book was written by which Roman emperor??He is referring to Constantine issuing the bible at the Nicean Council…
Prior to Constantine’s 400something AD council, where he and his political advisors laid out the Christian bible, Christianity was much different. Jesus’s followers believed Jesus was not the Son of God, but the mortal messager from God. Jesus had a well known wife and family line, his wife being Mary Magdalene. The holy day of Christianity was Saturday. The list goes on (Read the Da Vinci Code thread for more info if you don’t mind the book being ruined).
Constantine needed to create a Religion to rule the three major religions of his day. Early Christianity (in reality, Judaism), Roman Paganism (Jupiter, Apollo ect), and Sun-Worship. Traits from all three were incorporated into the Bible. Jesus had to be the son of god, a deity himself, for the religion to work for Constantine. This way, Christians could only find salvation through the only link to god, the Roman Catholic Church. The Holy day was changed, to Sunday, in honor of the Sun god (who Constantine himself worshipped). Many Roman Pagan holidays simply had their names changed into Christian holidays. For example, December 25 was the birthday of both Apollo, Venus, and some obscure Egyptian god before that whose name I cannot recall.
The Bible was created. Constantine ordered all prior Christian documents destroyed. Few survived. The Dead Sea scrolls predate the Bible, and give us a picture of what Jesus and his contemporaries really taught. The church is struggling to keep these scrolls from being released to the public.
In fact, its a general misconception that Constantine was a Christian. He never practiced, and was only baptised on his death bed, too weak to refuse. The whole modern Christian religion was created by him and his advisors, to better rule the masses of Rome. Why do you think it was so successful? It was created to be so.
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regardless of that the old testament speaks of Jesus being the son of God…
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