I liked the skating and team play.
It is improving each olympic game.
Democrats maneuvering for '04 or '08 Presidential Bid
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Xi I was talking about Yannys comment about the Mid-West, If Leiberman ran in 2004 for president I think he could win some Mid-West states.
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I had a problem with the 2000 Presidential election. Because the election was so close, meaning in several states it was with in the margin of error, I think we should of called for a Run off in each close state. Disclaimer: I don’t deny that Bush won however I think we need a new system for doing it.
I propose a new law:
If any Candidate in any Presidential race wins the state but does not win by 50%, a run off is in order. The only two candidates on the ballot will be the top two candidates (most likely Dem and Rep).
Why? Because these races are just too close. We have a 1-2% margin of error on these ballots. That is unacceptable. Unfortunately, there is no viable solution to reduce that margin of error.
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Get rid of the old, blind folks in Florida and that’d bring our margin of error down to around .05% :P
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War__, I understand and agree.
Y_y, But some would protest that there is no 'None of the above" choice. A lot of folks wouldn’t vote the second time around.
war__, I think you(?) mentioned the Green or Libertarian(or was it Liberal, yes, there is a Liberal party in some states, folks) partieson another thread. The Libertarian Party has a lot of ideas coopted by the Republicans. The Green and Liberal Parties have become too liberal for most folks. The Greens have been taken over by the old communists who are using environmental issues to attack the capitalist system. Who could be against the environment? Capitalists, Big Busines, and YOU(smoking, big houses, and your SUV).
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I like that law Yanny but I have just a little addition how about the top 3 parties?? I like 3 choices more than 2 choices.
Xi couldn’t you say that about the Democrat party as well, In a way I guess you could say the Democrat party is starting to clone the Green party.
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When I’m not a communist, must of the time I moonlight as a Larry Elder Libertarian.:)
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war__,
I am in agreeance! :roll: They seem to think that moving further to the left will return their voters/followers. -
It might have worked somewhat Xi, Ralph Nader didn’t do too well in 2000 as some thought he would!! I think he got less than half those votes they thought he would get. Does any body have the numbers??
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There’s always a chance. Ross Perot got enough votes (19%, I think)in '92 to elect Clinton(taking votes from GHW Bush.) Perot’s #s got him matching funds for the '96 election(11% of the vote). This set up Pat Buchanan to run with matching funds. But Buchanan didn’t get enough to insure matching funds for the 2004 candidate of the Reform Party(the final name for the Perot Party) to receive matching funds.
When a third party gains ground it will cripple one of the major parties. this will enable the intact party to win a majority of votes/seats for a few elections. At least until the weaker parties can peel off other voters from the power party. The last three elections have affected both the Dems and Reps.
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Xi do you think the Green party will do better in 2004?? I think they are gaining ground in Calforania and Washington. Could this cripple the Democrat party in the near future in those 2 states?? I will not be surprised if Ralph Nader runs for them in 2004.
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I doubt the Green party will live long. Unlike Ross Perot, Ralph Nadar doesn’t have a great deal of popular backing. Enviromentalism as a premise for a political party will never work.
However, our Government would really benefit from a third part. The reform party has some great people in it, they just can’t get many votes. Jesse Ventura, as I’ve said a million times, would make an amazing President.
Whats it going to take for a third party to spring up? Its going to take dissent in one (or both) political parties where many politicians decide to leave their party. For example, there have been many rumors of John Mccain (and many of his political allies) leaving the Republican party.
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The green party isn’t going to survive becasue of the ideology that they believe in. Am I mistaken, or aren’t they the people who are for legalizing drugs and all that crap?
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The Green Party not surviving :o
Now that is new to me. I’m not saying they will be larger that either the Dems or Reps. But havn’t you guys heard on non-presidantial elections they are either keeping their numbers or getting more. I think thats why the Democrat Party is starting to act like them on the West Coast.
On the drug issue that I don’t know but on the weed probably yes.
Yanny I don’t think John Mccain will leave the Repbulican Party now that he is a major player.
So Xi how do you think third parties will affect the 2004 election cycle??
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I think the Green Party needs a ‘new face’ for president, not Nader. The younger generation is not aware of his ‘history.’ They want someone with a ‘present.’
I think the Dems will lose votes to the Green, Reform and Republican Party in 2004. Except for catastrophy, and yes it does happen, Bush is a two-term Pres.
Ventura is glitz with good advisors, but when he talks long enough without a script, the true obnoxity :P offends enough folks that “Ventura ist Verbotten(sp.?)” from victory by voters!
McCain, As I said somewhars, appears in poor health, and will not win in 2008(I think a Dem will get it.) His health will not hold out untill 2012.
Xi the Magnificent sees all …
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Yanny, what did Ventura do that was so great?
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“The Biggest problem with our Government today are career politicians”
“We’d get a whole lot more done if the two opposing political parties learned to compromise from the start”
“We need to reform the way politicians in this country get their money”
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Xi I have to disagree with you on losing votes to the Republican Party. Do you really think the Democrat Party has 2008 locked up. What if the Republican Party gets Colin Powel to run in 2008?
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Yanny, come on!
You can do better than 3 quotes.
That ain’t doin’ much!Jesse “The Body” Ventura, a.k.a.
Jesse “The Mind” Ventura, a.k.a.
Jesse “The Governor” Ventura, a.k.a.
Jesse “The Mouth” Ventura,
longer than any other title. -
Jesse “The one term” Ventura
Jesse “Big news then, not big today” Ventura
Jesse “I’m no longer in the newspaper” Ventura
Jesse “I bash religion one day, say I’m sorry the next” Ventura
Jesse “I’m becomming a overwieght middle aged man” Ventura -
Early March/2003
Rev. Al Sharpton is still ahead in the early Dem polls.
Dems are thinking ahead. If he is still ahead in Sept. They plan to draft Hillary. She is the only one they see who can beat him(when included in the polls, even though she is not running.) They believe the early exposure will help her in 2008 if she loses this time.war__s,
Let the man have his 30 seconds of fame.
Too bad he hasn’t done anything with it!
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