I wonder how much Saddam pays each year…
Quite a bit probably :)
You use Korea and Vietnam as examples. Why should the UN help in those wars? First off, Vietnam was a fool’s folly. And Korea, well the UN was barely established when that war was launched off.
Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.
There are barely any US soldiers in the UN ranks. Let me put it into perspective. There are more Malay soldiers than US soldiers.
When have US Soldiers died? In US wars.
The Gulf War? The British took the most casualties in the air. The French took the most on the ground.
The Gulf War? The British took the most casualties in the air. The French took the most on the ground.
And who’s fault was this.
You use Korea and Vietnam as examples. Why should the UN help in those wars? First off, Vietnam was a fool’s folly. And Korea, well the UN was barely established when that war was launched off.
Yes, unprovoked wars should never be handled by the UN. Sure… :roll:
Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.
How so?
Quite a bit probably
I think total not yearly Saddam has paid 300,000.
Korea… And Vietnam…
and TG, you said it in reply to…
For example: When the UN got involved with Iraq back in '91 (or whatever is was), who did most of the fighting to liberate Kuwait?
He implies that the US did the majority of the fighting in Kuwait, and you imply that the US did all of it in Vietnam and Korea.
Kuwait was a joint military effort by 50something countries. Who put most of the ground forces in there? The US, French, and Saudis. Who put most of the airpower in there? The US, British, and the Saudis.
The US did the most in that war, yes, but we cannot take credit completely like some people do. The British Airforce flew incredibly risky missions to take out Iraqi Fighters, and many were shot down. The French led the assault against an elite, entrenched, Republican guard. The Americans were faced against thousands of armored opponents.
Vietnam and Korea are two entirely different things. Korea was a war launched upon us, by North Korea. We fought it defensively, and we won it offensively. It wasn’t a UN matter, and it was solved.
Vietnam was, in a word, stupid. It was a war of outsiders verse patriots. We barely took any casualties, 58,000 compared to 1,000,000 Vietnameese. We upset a lot of people, and the UN was right not to do anything.
He implies that the US did the majority of the fighting in Kuwait, and you imply that the US did all of it in Vietnam and Korea.
No, forces from other nations served in Korea and Vietnam. But you’re right about the majority.
The US did the most in that war, yes, but we cannot take credit completely like some people do.
Who says so? That would be like saying, “US funds the entire UN.” This would be wrong, though they found the most of any country in it.
We fought it defensively, and we won it offensively.
We won? :)
Vietnam was, in a word, stupid. It was a war of outsiders verse patriots. We barely took any casualties, 58,000 compared to 1,000,000 Vietnameese. We upset a lot of people, and the UN was right not to do anything.
Tell me, how did the Vietnam war actually start? Minimal casualties showed that the US military did an outstanding job in trainning. Perhaps the more casualties the better?
Under your logic, the UN should of helped the USSR in Afganistan.
How so?
We won?
Korea :)
Tell me, how did the Vietnam war actually start? Minimal casualties showed that the US military did an outstanding job in trainning. Perhaps the more casualties the better?
No, my point is Vietnam was a folly, but we didn’t pay the incredible price for it that a lot of people make it out to be. The Vietnameese were the ones who really got hit hard by the war. A Million soldiers dead, no telling how many civilians died. Their country in ruins.
How did it start? French Imperialism.
How so?
Back up, someone was talking about how the UN did nothing in Korea or Vietnam. That means the UN should of helped us out in our wars. Under that logic, the UN should of helped Russia in it’s war in Afganistan.
Back up, someone was talking about how the UN did nothing in Korea or Vietnam. That means the UN should of helped us out in our wars.
Who said this?
Korea
Boundry lines pretty much stayed the same.
How did it start? French Imperialism.
No disputing that.
D:S said it.
back to the original premise - of US soldiers dying in UN peacekeeping missions.
i don’t know about the numbers, but very few soldiers die in these missions. Also most countries contribute many soldiers to these. The vast bulk of Canada’s military is involved in UN-related peacekeeping missions (true, a few have died, but i believe that they saved the lives of a great many more people). The wars that Americans tend to die in are American initiated wars ('cept for Somalia - ouch).
Korea and Vietnam - not going to touch those. Canada actually did contribute soldiers to these wars (believe it or not - more Canadians fought in Vietnam than Americans came to Canada to dodge the draft).
'cept for Somalia - ouch
There were a lot of other places… but they weren’t made into movies :)
You guys need to read up on your history a little. The Korean war was a UN police action to protect a nation with a popular, stable, and well established government from an invasion. Many French, British, and Canadian soldiers, as well as many from other countries were involved in all aspects of the war. The Veitnam war was not a UN operation. It started as a revolution in the south by the Viet-Cong against a very unpopular, oppressive, totalitarian regime. From there, North Vietnam decided to assist the revolutionaries and the US decided to prop up the South’s government. Since it was technically a revolution, the UN decided to stay completely uninvolved (aside from hosting peace talks between the two sides, which constantly broke down).
@Deviant:Scripter:
We may pay our dues late, but I’m saying that we compensate for that by risking the lives of our American troops in defense of countries all over the world, for encounters such as you listed above. No other country even comes close to shipping the amount of soldiers that we do, and UN conflict or not, our soldiers are fighting for everyone.
Ahm, so you are allowed not to pay your taxes, as you work as policeman or soldier, and do enough good to the public with that?
That is what you imply.
We don’t pay the UN,
we send troops to everywhere, even/especially to things totally unrelated to the UN, but still this is enough reason not to pay the UN, which has nothing to do with the wars we fight in……
Did i capture your above lines correctly?
If i start to intervene wherever i want, even when i am not asked to, i then can keep my money to myself??
good idea F_alk.
i’m going to not pay taxes,
and go around beating up punk kids vigilante-style. Besides, some of them don’t like me and the may be carrying weapons - the only way to find out is to kick their ass. Plus this way i don’t have to pay my property taxes for helping make the city a better place.
Of course city employees pay taxes, and very few of them have any write-offs, but i’m special.
@Deviant:Scripter:
I didn’t say it was a military organization!
For example: When the UN got involved with Iraq back in '91 (or whatever is was), who did most of the fighting to liberate Kuwait?
USA does pays its dues. Maybe not always on time, but does every country in the UN manage to pay on time?
