HBG's Global War 1939 FAQ

[koba]

No problem,

I’d really like to see the pages numbered in the table of contents. Also, chapter three in 5.0 only includes the title not the subjects.

I like Wild Bill’s questions regarding Vichy territories and think some clarification on that would be good.

[WILD BILL]

Question about production and going to war.

I know you have to roll 2 12d dice for Russia to ratchet up war time production each turn (48). My question is that only dice count for this right, and if you capture territories like East Poland, or save IPCs you must keep a separate tab each turn.

Example: First turn Russia rolls 8 w/dice, and takes East Poland (worth 2) and Baltic States (worth 1 IPC). Russia’s war production total is 8, but their spending income is 11 IPCs for the next turn (8+3=11). Any income saved would also track with spending income.

[WILD BILL]

Another question to clarify with US production.

I know the US must roll dice to increase their production at the end of each turn. They need 80 to declare war, and they also get to include other event along the way. If the US is directly attacked, or London is captured (event) US war production automatically ratchets up, and they can declare war at the beginning of their turn (when it rolls around). My question is do the other events listed increase US production when the event happens (move the US production up before US turn), so when their turn comes up if they have 80 (or more) they can declare war at the beginning of their turn.

Say the US has 75 production at the end of their last turn. If Germany attacks Russia (event) US production goes up 10. If this is counted at the time of the event then by time the US turn comes up they would have what it needs to DOW in the beginning of their turn.

BTW in the rules on page 26 it says "Once an event takes place, add the income to the US production level until the US reaches 80 etc… It really doesn’t say to do this immediately (which would be before US’s turn), or to wait until the end of the US turn (when they would be rolling dice).

One last production question again in the wording of the events:
It lists an unprovoked Japanese attack on UK would increase the US war production by 25 (I get that). The other events don’t specify if provoked or not. Like the Japanese attack of Australia main land, or NZ. The UK/Anz could be at war (even if UK attacked first), but if Japan attacks Australia mainland the US production goes up 25. How about the Russians, could they attack first (provoke war), and if the Japanese retaliate (attack Russia) then the US production goes up 10?

[koba]

Wild Bill,

Here’s how we do it with Russia and U.S. income:

Territories taken while Russia is not at war are added to her full production value. So, for instance, if East Poland is taken, Russia would be making 50IPCs per turn once at war.

Her spending money is arrived at exclusively by the rolls until she is at war.

With the U.S., the events push her income up immediately as they happen.

I would say if the German attack on Russia happens as you mentioned it, the U.S. and Germany will be at war at the beginning of the U.S. turn.

[WILD BILL]

Ok, yeah that is how we played it. We gave the US the bonus at the time of the event, so when its turn came up they had enough production to go to war (didn’t need to wait until the end of their turn). It should be mentioned in the events part of the rules in 5.1 as to when you add the events bonus. Either at the time of the event (like we played it), or in the collect income of the US. Also a clarification of if the US gets the +10 production bonus if Russia starts the war w/Japan. If Russia provoked/attacked first, not sure the the US should get +10.

[koba]

Agreed,

If the Soviets attack Japan there should be no increase toward war for the U.S.

[WILD BILL]

Couple more clarifications regarding activating strict neutrals (some are triggered by events).

1. When you are activating a pro axis/allied neutral to your side, I assume you do it in NCM.

Are air units allowed to land in neutrals that are pro your side? (sorry if you already went through this).
2a) Can you fly in air units to defend a pro to your side neutral before you activate it
2b) Can you fly in air units to reinforce a territory the same turn you activated it?
2c) If you NCM an inf w/bomber transport to activate a pro neutral, can the bomber land there too (same question as above really)?

3. I also assume you aren’t allowed to move the newly activated units the turn you activated them. So you just swap them out and they are stuck there until your next turn (so the enemy gets a chance to kill them). It would make a considerable difference BTW if you could NCM units out of harms way the turn you activate them especially if navy is involved (but I think that might be out of line and cause problems).

4. Something else that needs clarification is that when certain events take place to trigger a strict neutral to go pro one side or the other, it takes place immediately right.

4a) Take Spain for instance, certain events triggers Spain to become pro axis. After Paris falls (G1 normally), and one of the 3 Russian victory cities is captured, then Spain becomes pro axis.

Paris falls G1 normally, then if Leningrad is captured later in the game (during Germany’s combat phase) Spain would become pro axis immediately right (in the middle of Germany’s turn). Germany would then be allowed to NCM into Spain to claim it, along with any units there in the same turn that it captures Leningrad right. Oh BTW I would imagine that Germany could also bomber transport an inf into one of the Spanish territories in NCM to activate it. Will be looking above to see if the bomber can also land there too).

Just wanted to make sure that the above could happen, and that you can’t move neutral units the turn you activate them.

Of coarse both the axis and allies need to be aware of when Spain (or other neutrals) are activated so they can be prepared to claim them, or kill them ASAP.

[WILD BILL]

Got some more?

Target aircraft:
I know that naval ftrs can target at 1, and torpedo bmrs can target at 4 (or less). It says you choose targets before you roll dice, not sure what this means. Does each plane target different ships (can send up to two planes at capital 2-hit ships). Or are you allowed to send 3-4 of these air units at say 1 battle ship (could over kill it, and maybe all your hits won’t count?). Say you send 4 torpedo bmrs at one battleship, and two of them rolled 3’s (can choose target so b-ship is dead), but the other two rolled 5’s (hits but can’t choose). Do you loose the the two hits at 5’s (because you chose to send them all at the B-ship), or do you count their hits in the normal battle for the enemy to choose more causalities.

We have been rolling the dice, and if you roll low enough to target then you choose (but this is obviously wrong).

Both target planes say surface ships can be targeted (torp bmr can also target detected subs). So I guess transports can be targeted, but would get to fire at the planes (transports fire at 1 vs air units)?

If targeted ship is sunk (say torpedo brm hit 4 or less), does that ship return fire, or is it removed immediately. If the target was a battleship, and it takes one hit does it now return fire as a damaged battleship at 3 or less.

kamikaze clarification:

1. I take it that Japanese kamikaze don’t target ships, the defender would choose?
2. It isn’t a kill shot, and if other units are used in the attack the ship that takes the hit (if kami hit) would return fire.
3. The kami is removed from the board after it rolls, so can’t be taken as a casualty.

Carriers that take a hit:
I see that a damaged carrier can retrieve planes, but can’t launch air units. I know you wouldn’t be able to launch an attack, just wanted to make sure that “can’t launch air units” also includes defense. So if a damaged carrier retrieves planes they would be considered cargo, and can’t defend in the air if the carrier is attacked before it is repaired right.

[koba]

Couple more clarifications regarding activating strict neutrals (some are triggered by events).

1. When you are activating a pro axis/allied neutral to your side, I assume you do it in NCM.

Yes, I do it in non-combat.

Are air units allowed to land in neutrals that are pro your side? (sorry if you already went through this).

I don’t play it like that. No landing until neutral is activated.
2a) Can you fly in air units to defend a pro to your side neutral before you activate it

I don’t believe so.
2b) Can you fly in air units to reinforce a territory the same turn you activated it?

No. Must hold it for one turn to land. Same as axis and allies rules since day one.

2c) If you NCM an inf w/bomber transport to activate a pro neutral, can the bomber land there too (same question as above really)?

I don’t believe so.

3. I also assume you aren’t allowed to move the newly activated units the turn you activated them. So you just swap them out and they are stuck there until your next turn (so the enemy gets a chance to kill them). It would make a considerable difference BTW if you could NCM units out of harms way the turn you activate them especially if navy is involved (but I think that might be out of line and cause problems).

I move them when they are activated in the non-combat phase. Don’t know if this is right, but that’s the way the group has agreed to play it.

4. Something else that needs clarification is that when certain events take place to trigger a strict neutral to go pro one side or the other, it takes place immediately right.

Immediate is how we play it.

4a) Take Spain for instance, certain events triggers Spain to become pro axis. After Paris falls (G1 normally), and one of the 3 Russian victory cities is captured, then Spain becomes pro axis.

Paris falls G1 normally, then if Leningrad is captured later in the game (during Germany’s combat phase) Spain would become pro axis immediately right (in the middle of Germany’s turn). Germany would then be allowed to NCM into Spain to claim it, along with any units there in the same turn that it captures Leningrad right. Oh BTW I would imagine that Germany could also bomber transport an inf into one of the Spanish territories in NCM to activate it. Will be looking above to see if the bomber can also land there too).

All as you say, except for bomber landing I believe.

Just wanted to make sure that the above could happen, and that you can’t move neutral units the turn you activate them.

Of coarse both the axis and allies need to be aware of when Spain (or other neutrals) are activated so they can be prepared to claim them, or kill them ASAP.

[koba]

Got some more?

Target aircraft:
I know that naval ftrs can target at 1, and torpedo bmrs can target at 4 (or less). It says you choose targets before you roll dice, not sure what this means. Does each plane target different ships (can send up to two planes at capital 2-hit ships). Or are you allowed to send 3-4 of these air units at say 1 battle ship (could over kill it, and maybe all your hits won’t count?). Say you send 4 torpedo bmrs at one battleship, and two of them rolled 3’s (can choose target so b-ship is dead), but the other two rolled 5’s (hits but can’t choose). Do you loose the the two hits at 5’s (because you chose to send them all at the B-ship), or do you count their hits in the normal battle for the enemy to choose more causalities.

There is a contradiction in the rules here. On one hand it says roll first and pick targets hit on 1 or 4 repsectively, on the other it says pick targets before rolling. We use the rule as it is listed under the national advantages (we roll and pick depending on the dice).

We have been rolling the dice, and if you roll low enough to target then you choose (but this is obviously wrong).

I think it’s right until a clarification stating otherwise comes along.

Both target planes say surface ships can be targeted (torp bmr can also target detected subs). So I guess transports can be targeted, but would get to fire at the planes (transports fire at 1 vs air units)?

Transports can fire against all attacking air.

If targeted ship is sunk (say torpedo brm hit 4 or less), does that ship return fire, or is it removed immediately. If the target was a battleship, and it takes one hit does it now return fire as a damaged battleship at 3 or less.

I don’t see anything in the rules about the aircraft with targeting ability having the first shot attack like submarines do. I believe targeted ships fire back as normal.

kamikaze clarification:

1. I take it that Japanese kamikaze don’t target ships, the defender would choose?

This is correct.

2. It isn’t a kill shot, and if other units are used in the attack the ship that takes the hit (if kami hit) would return fire.

Yep.

3. The kami is removed from the board after it rolls, so can’t be taken as a casualty.

True.

Carriers that take a hit:
I see that a damaged carrier can retrieve planes, but can’t launch air units. I know you wouldn’t be able to launch an attack, just wanted to make sure that “can’t launch air units” also includes defense. So if a damaged carrier retrieves planes they would be considered cargo, and can’t defend in the air if the carrier is attacked before it is repaired right.

We play it that planes on damaged carriers cannot defend in the air. They are cargo and will sink with the carrier.

I hope I was of some help to you and that my assumptions are correct. Man, I can’t wait until the revised rules come out. Again, I’d like to see more marker rules and a revised set-up.

[WILD BILL]

@koba:

I hope I was of some help to you and that my assumptions are correct. Man, I can’t wait until the revised rules come out. Again, I’d like to see more marker rules and a revised set-up.

Koba, you have been a great help. It is good to know that others have had similar questions and came up with the same results in their own sidebars. Much of the stuff I have brought up we had questioned or debated, then played through already doing what we thought was right at the time. Sounds like your group does this too, it’s kinda just make it up as you go in some cases, then check to see if you were right LOL.

I comment about those things here just to make sure our assumptions were right, or at least get a consequences from other players like you. I know they are revising the rules, and set ups as we speak. They are also checking this site often, so I feel it is up to us to let them know if we find something that needs clarification, or maybe even minor suggestions. It will make it easier as more people start to play this awesome game. I am also looking forward to these revisions, hopefully soon. I was thinking that maybe they might do any changes in red so they are easier to pick out.

[koba]

It’s good to have others to bounce things off of.

This is an awesome game and really worth the investment of time, effort and money. Honestly, I’ve put all my resources from my other AandA games into this one.

We have a game coming up in a little less than two weeks. I’ve ordered more assessories from HBG. After this one, I think all my airfields, naval bases will be HBG acryls. I got more mine fields too as they are a big hit. We’re going to try flak towers too (I think they will operate as original AA did).

I’ll post on that game as well.

[WILD BILL]

Cool, I have seen the pictures you have posted, and game reports. The detailed paint job you have done with your units must give your games more depth. It looks like a lot of fun to add more units to your collection, and rules to go with them.

[WILD BILL]

1. Are both Chinese powers allowed to occupy the same territory?

2. Red China and Russia are allowed to take over Nat Chinese territories if they are left empty, or they capture them from axis (income goes to Red China). If Szechuan (Nat Chinese capital) is left empty, but still owned by the Nat Chinese and the Red Chinese move in to claim it for the 1 IPC, do they also get the Nat Chinese bankroll? Is the income transferred to Pingliang (Red Chinese capital)? If not would it be returned to the bank because they lost their capital. Could it actually be an allied strat so Japan doesn’t end up with it?

2nd question
Japan can only sneak attack someone they are not at war with right. So if they attack the Philippines in one turn, they can’t do a sneak attack on the US later.

Under the Japanese sneak attack, it says “IF NOT AT WAR WITH JAPAN, MAY NOT RETURN FIRE etc…” in the middle of the sentence. The US rules also says the first time attacked I believe (don’t have the rules in front of me). In our game the Japanese declared war on both the US & UK (and Anz by default I guess) took Hong Kong, Singapore, and Manila w/o a sneak attack, so I don’t believe they can use their sneak attack now, because they are at war with everyone, but I’m not sure?

[WILD BILL]

Quick suggestion about the Russian war production.

The secret protocol of the Ribbentrop and Molotov pact put both East Poland, and Baltic States in the Russian sphere of influence. The rules allow for the Russian to go to full production and declare war if the Germans capture E Poland G1, but does nothing about Baltic States (which Germany could easily take G1). Just thought that a breach of this deal just struck would have flared tensions.

Maybe +10 (or +15) to Russian production if the Germans capture Baltic States G1?

I was actually thinking that Russia probably wouldn’t be ready to declare war right away if Hitler broke the deal by taking E Poland, but would have been on high alert and kicked up to war time production.

Maybe +30 to Russian production if the Germans capture East Poland G1
Maybe +15 to Russian production if the Germans capture Baltic States G1

or something in between?

It would allow Russia more income if the Germans break the pact, but they would still have to rely on the production dice to go to war which would show how unprepared they were (delay at least 1 turn). Maybe even allow them to fight in Poland/Baltic States like they do in Finland w/o an official DOW if Germany breaks the pact by capturing either one G1?

[koba]

1. Are both Chinese powers allowed to occupy the same territory?

Though ot specifically mentioned in the rules, I expect no, they can not. Historically, it seems the two Chinese factions spent almost as much time fighting each other as they did the Japanese.

2. Red China and Russia are allowed to take over Nat Chinese territories if they are left empty, or they capture them from axis (income goes to Red China). If Szechuan (Nat Chinese capital) is left empty, but still owned by the Nat Chinese and the Red Chinese move in to claim it for the 1 IPC, do they also get the Nat Chinese bankroll? Is the income transferred to Pingliang (Red Chinese capital)? If not would it be returned to the bank because they lost their capital. Could it actually be an allied strat so Japan doesn’t end up with it?

I don’t see the Red Chinese being able to do this. There is no mention of the actual IPCs being transferred in the rules. Only Communist Chinese being able to take over un-occupied Nationalist Chinese territories. It would be a good strat though if it were possible.

2nd question
Japan can only sneak attack someone they are not at war with right. So if they attack the Philippines in one turn, they can’t do a sneak attack on the US later.

Under the Japanese sneak attack, it says “IF NOT AT WAR WITH JAPAN, MAY NOT RETURN FIRE etc…” in the middle of the sentence. The US rules also says the first time attacked I believe (don’t have the rules in front of me). In our game the Japanese declared war on both the US & UK (and Anz by default I guess) took Hong Kong, Singapore, and Manila w/o a sneak attack, so I don’t believe they can use their sneak attack now, because they are at war with everyone, but I’m not sure?

That’s right. Page 17, under Japan’s special rules part 3.

[koba]

Quick suggestion about the Russian war production.

The secret protocol of the Ribbentrop and Molotov pact put both East Poland, and Baltic States in the Russian sphere of influence. The rules allow for the Russian to go to full production and declare war if the Germans capture E Poland G1, but does nothing about Baltic States (which Germany could easily take G1). Just thought that a breach of this deal just struck would have flared tensions.

Maybe +10 (or +15) to Russian production if the Germans capture Baltic States G1?

I was actually thinking that Russia probably wouldn’t be ready to declare war right away if Hitler broke the deal by taking E Poland, but would have been on high alert and kicked up to war time production.

Maybe +30 to Russian production if the Germans capture East Poland G1
Maybe +15 to Russian production if the Germans capture Baltic States G1

or something in between?

It would allow Russia more income if the Germans break the pact, but they would still have to rely on the production dice to go to war which would show how unprepared they were (delay at least 1 turn). Maybe even allow them to fight in Poland/Baltic States like they do in Finland w/o an official DOW if Germany breaks the pact by capturing either one G1?

Not sure about this one. Seems to me that the USSR was keen to not reply to provocations as buying time to prepare for the inevitable war with Germany was more important and the ultimate goal of the so-called pact. If anything, if the USSR takes the Baltic states, Germany should get a free infantry or something, say, in Chezchoslovakia or in Western Poland–if its under German occupation. Hitler was super upset with the USSR’s moves into the Baltic States and part of Romania. In fact, the condradiction here is that the Soviets, while not wanting to respond to German provocations, were busy setting up a buffer zone between themselves and said Germans. They were, in fact, getting ready for war and not as “un-prepared” as we are often led to believe. Incidentally, one rule I really like is Germany’s bonus for not being at war with the USSR. This reflects the Soviets “buying time” with resources.

[WILD BILL]

Koba, I agree that Russia was buying time, with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact (10 year non-aggression pact, with the division of Eastern Europe), so was Germany. It gave the Russians both the time, and buffer states they wanted (although both parties knew it wouldn’t last that long). The first secrete protocol divided Poland, and assigned eastern Poland, parts of Finland, Estonia, Latvia, to the Soviet sphere of influence. Most of Lithuania was originally in the German sphere (next to Prussia), but was placed under the Soviets influence in the second secrete protocol the following month from what I’ve recently read. The Germans steam rolled Poland, and the Russians came crashing through a couple weeks later to claim their part (East Poland in game terms). The countries of the Baltic States were forced into treaties of mutual assistance with Russia so they could establish military bases and a military presence.

From the maps I’ve seen of the intent of “the spheres of influence”, and what Russia actually gained afterwords in Eastern Europe, it looks like the Soviets got more then they bargained for. The Germans didn’t go to war with Russia for claiming more territory then agreed upon at the time, although they were probably PO about it. They were planning an invasion of France, and couldn’t sustain a two front war. The Russians wouldn’t have DOW either if Germany would have moved into the Soviet zones, because they were in a wait and see how far the Germans would go vs Western allies. Both parties had an agenda, and neither wanted to go to war with each other at that time.

All I was saying is that the game allows for the Russians to go to full production, and declare war (very drastic) if the Germans conquer East Poland G1 (a blatant breach of the secrete protocol). I’m not too sure that the Russians were willing to do that (and it doesn’t sound like you do either), and there is nothing stopping the Germans from claiming the Baltic states G1 which was also in the Soviet sphere of influence (move up the war production slightly, but defiantly not DOW because of it). I was simply looking at ratcheting up the Russians war production if either of these territories were taken G1 (East Poland being more valuable on that scale), rather then an all out war if the Germans take East Poland.

[koba]

Yep, agreed.

I do think the Soviet declaration of war over East Poland is a bit much and I’d agree with the Baltic States scenario you describe for turn 1 (only).

This is one of the things I love about this game (and AandA in general) it gets people talking about history.

[WILD BILL]

Yep, the power of Google LOL