I shouldn’t do these things when I’m pushed for time. Gavotti also flew the first night mission during this war. Even though the Tuabe has a bird like appearance the wings were based of the zagonia seed pod. There. Now I think I got it covered. At least what I know anyway.
Peace at Last
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I don’t have the time to respond to all of the leftist messages being posted on this board wiht my absence, so you win this time.
Take this story as a warning, already in the making.
PEACE AT LAST
by Steven Plaut
June 12, 2002
It was in the year 2006. The Israelis at long last gave up their attempts to resist the pressures of the world. They elected a new government headed by Prime Minister Yossi Beilin, the original promoter of the Oslo Peace Process, in coalition with the Jewish and Arab parties of the Left. They announced that Israel was willing to accept the unanimous proposal for peace supported by every single country in the world, and would return to its pre-1967 borders, remove all Jewish settlements from the territories of the new state of Palestine, recognize Palestine and grant Palestine all of East Jerusalem, that is, all of the city located east of a line running north-south through Zion Square, renamed Jihad Square.
The world had not seen celebration like that which greeted the Israeli decision since the fall of the Berlin Wall or the transferal of power in South Africa to the black majority. All-night celebrations were held in every city on the planet, but none so enthusiastic as the party held in Tel Aviv in Rabin Square. Speaker after speaker appeared under a banner “Liberation at Last” and praised the decision to agree to the terms of the accord as the ultimate completion of the work and dreams of Yitzhak Rabin.
The settlers were marched out of the lands of Palestine at bayonet point, with crowds of jeering Israeli leftists pelting them with garbage as they moved into their temporary transit camps inside Green Line Israel. Liberal Jews in the United States organized a million man march in Washington together with Arabs and the Nation of Islam to celebrate the breaking out of peace and the final settlement of the conflict. “Peace at Last” was the number one pop single. The State Department sent out a message urging Israel and Palestine to conduct good-faith negotiations and round-the-clock talks on all outstanding issues of disagreement still separating the two sovereign states. At long last, there were two states for two peoples. Land had been exchanged for peace. Peace had at long last broken out in the world´s most troubled region.
The morning after the Palestine Independence Celebrations, the message arrived in the Israeli parliament, brought in by special messenger. The newly formed government of Palestine had only a small number of issues it would like to discuss with Israel. It proposed that peaceful relations be officially consummated, as soon as Israel turned over the Galilee and the Negev to Palestine. Israeli cabinet ministers were nonplussed. We thought we had settled all outstanding territorial issues by giving the Palestinians everything, they protested. The spokesman for the Palestine War Ministry explained: the Galilee was obviously part of the Arab homeland. It was filled with many Arabs and in many areas had an Arab population majority. Israel was holding 100% of the Galilee territory, and Palestine none at all, and surely that was unfair. As for the Negev, it too has large areas with Arab majorities, but is in fact needed so that Palestine can settle the many Palestinian refugees from around the world in lands and new homes.
Israel´s government preferred not to give offense and sour the new relations, and so offered to take the proposal under consideration. Within weeks, endorsements of the Palestinian proposal were coming from a variety of sources. The Arab League endorsed it. The EU approved a French proposal that the Galilee and Negev be transferred to Palestine in stages over 3 years. Within Israel, many voices were heard in favor of the proposal. Large rallies were held on the universities. The Israeli press endorsed the idea almost in full unison, with only some regional weeklies from the north and south dissenting. Israeli film producers began turning out documentaries on the sufferings of Galilee and Negev Arabs under Israeli rule. Sociologists from around the world produced studies showing that these Arabs were victims of horrible discrimination and that Israel is characterized by institutional racism. Israeli poets and novelists wrote passionate appeals for support of the Galilee and Negev ‘Others’.
When Israel´s cabinet rejected the proposal, the pressures mounted. A Galilee and Negev Liberation Organization was founded and immediately granted recognition by the UN General Assembly. It established consulate facilities in 143 countries. Weeks later, the infiltrations began. Squads of terrorists infiltrated the borders between Palestine and Israel, and suicide bombers produced a carnage of 75 murdered Jews a day. The border fences were reinforced, but to no avail. The US State Department proposed that Israel defuse the situation by considering compromise on the matters of the Galilee and Negev.
Six months later, the ‘victims of Jewish discrimination’ in the Galilee and Negev decided to escalate their protests. Gangs of Arabs lynched Jews throughout the disputed territories. Roadblocks were set up, and entire families of Jews were dragged from their cars by the activists and beaten to death or doused with flames. The EU sent in observers, but warned Israel that there is no military solution to the problems of terrorism and violence. When Israel arrested gang leaders from the riots, the General Assembly denounced Israeli state terrorism against Galilee and Negev Arabs. French universities gave the pogrom leaders, Ahmed Tibi and Azmi Bashara, honorary doctorates.
Meanwhile, boycotts of Israel arose throughout Europe. Professors at the US Ivy League colleges demanded a total embargo and divestment from ties with Israel until it ended its racist apartheid regime. The leaders of the Reform synagogue movement supported the State Department and demanded that Israel end its obstinacy.
Israel´s own leftists launched a Movement against Apartheid, and the foreign press reported that 400,000 protested attended a rally by the Movement in Rabin Square. Cars around Israel had bumper stickers that read “My Son Will Not Die for Nazareth” and “Peace Now”. The Israeli Left urged people to refuse to do army service outside metropolitan Tel Aviv. The Israeli Labor Party proposed erecting a series of separating barriers throughout the Galilee under the slogan “Good Fences Make Good Neighbors”.
But Palestine could not sit idly by. Barrages of rockets and mortars drenched Israeli cities. The death toll rose to 7,000 Israelis per month. The White House and State Department threatened to cut off all supplies from Israel if it dared to launch reprisal raids against independent Palestine. Large cargo ships from Egypt laden with advanced arms entered the port of Gaza. Thousands of volunteers streamed into Palestine to assist in the campaign to rescue the Galilee and Negev Arabs from Israeli oppression.
On the afternoon of Yom Kippur, tank columns cut Israel in two just north of Tul Karem. Palestine offered to withdraw in exchange for transferring the Negev and Galilee to its control. An Israeli newspaper and the Israeli Peace Movement proposed transferring the disputed areas to EU control until things could be settled.
Synagogues in Belgium and France were torched. Teach-ins for Palestine were held on US campuses. A new conference was called in Durban to denounce Israeli apartheid. The White House insisted that Israel not expel the invading Palestine troops who had divided the country, for it was a matter for negotiations and dialogue. The President invited both sides to Camp David, with observers from the Negev and Galilee militias present.
Increasing numbers of Israeli politicians urged that Israel respond to the situation by granting limited autonomy to the Negev and the Galilee. When the government proposed to withdraw from Safed, Arutz Sheva radio broadcast non-stop protests against the move. The government then passed a bill that shut down the opposition radio station. Adir Zik and the owners of Arutz Sheva were thrown in jail as inciters against peace. The Americans offered to send in ground troops to protect the remaining Israeli territories, if Israel decided to accept the proposal to give up the Negev and Galilee. Let´s at long last have peace in the hills that Jesus roamed, suggested the President.
Jews living in the Galilee and Negev were under siege everywhere and the roads were unsafe. The road through the Negev to Eilat was cut by Arab gangs in four places. Leftist Israeli professors officially joined the Arab militias fighting for liberation. Two of them blew themselves up on a Jewish school bus to show their solidarity with the oppressed Arabs. Ahmed Tibi, head of the largest militia, insisted he was doing everything possible to stop the suicide attacks on Tel Aviv and Haifa from the Galilee, but the Americans demanded that he do more. The UK demanded 100% effort to stop the violence. The PLO proposed, as a compromise, that instead of being annexed by Palestine, the Negev and Galilee be allowed to form a separate state. The Arab League endorsed the idea.
CNN broadcast a series of specials on the plight of the Negev and Galilee Arabs, and the BBC started referring to Tel Aviv as illegally-occupied Arab Jaffa. Netanya and Beer Sheba were described by them as illegal colonial settlements. When the carnage exceeded 10,000 a month, the New York Times, for the first time, expressed regret in having promoted the peace process and ran as its lead headline “Oops”. The Washington Post, however, urged more Israeli flexibility and concessions.
The Negev and Galilee liberation organizations raised their flags over their towns and proposed that the Jews living in their territories be resettled elsewhere. The Palestine War Ministry was shipping them guns and explosives. The first word came of a detention camp north of Nazareth in which Jews expelled from their Galilee homes were being concentrated, with a second camp opened in the Negev near Rahat.
Strange black smoke rose from the chimneys…
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I don’t have the time to respond to all of the leftist messages being posted on this board wiht my absence, so you win this time.
Hahaha, you are not the only conservative here and us conservatives have yet begun to fight. :wink:
Anyways, I didn’t read the rest of your post. Too looooonnnnnnggg… I think I’ll have a ham sandwich. 8)
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@TG:
I don’t have the time to respond to all of the leftist messages being posted on this board wiht my absence, so you win this time.
Hahaha, you are not the only conservative here and us conservatives have yet begun to fight. :wink:
Anyways, I didn’t read the rest of your post. Too looooonnnnnnggg… I think I’ll have a ham sandwich. 8)
a sammich is good for what ales you. I think all but those suffering celiac disease may agree with us on that.
A Toast!!! To the Sammich!!! -
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Take this story as a warning, already in the making.
…should i laugh or cry?
it looks like you want to sell a serious point on a funny and ‘thoughtful’ way.
Let me tell you, you failed in both. I have never read a worse piece of propaganda.
[irony]
You are so right, better Israel is allowed to go and kill whoever comes 500 miles close to its borders.
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@F_k:
You are so right, better Israel is allowed to go and kill whoever comes 500 miles close to its borders.[/irony]
You just lost any credibility you had with that comment. No need for a response. I know you don’t give me any credibility as it is.
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Moderates are liberals who cannot make a commitment. - Xi -
FROM THE FUTURE (2143)-
@HortenFlyingWing:“Peace at Last” was the number one pop single.
The author neglected to mention that Barbara Streisand came out of retirement for what some called “The Resurrection Tour”. “Peace at Last” was the title cut for her biggest selling CD ever. It outsold the previous best selling CD of all time (“Redo/Please, Love Me”, Michael Jackson) by over 75.3%. In addition it was the #1 illegal download off the internet for 13 weeks(another new record).
@HortenFlyingWing:The EU approved a French proposal that the Galilee and Negev be transferred to Palestine in stages over 3 years.
Three years was unacceptable. NOW, was a Palestinian demand. Moderates and conservatives accepted one year at the outside.
@HortenFlyingWing:A Galilee and Negev Liberation Organization was founded and immediately granted recognition by the UN General Assembly.
A Galilee Organization and Negev Independence Liberation (GONIL) merged at that time, but the rest is correct. The author needs to correct his timeline.
@HortenFlyingWing:It established consulate facilities in 143 countries.
They didn’t work, except for demolitions experts, who had a very short career, so they had no economy. They tried to improve their economy by terrorism. Saddam Hussein had offered, in August of 2002, to pay $25,000 to the family of any Freedom Fighter who died blowing himself up to kill Israelis. However, 10,000 dead Freedom Fighters and four years later no one had collected from Hussein(who killed his sons, ruled until death (2014), outlived both Bush41 and 43[assassinated], and left his country of 27 provinces[Kuwait merged] to his grandson, Saddam.)
@HortenFlyingWing:Six months later, the ‘victims of Jewish discrimination’ in the Galilee and Negev decided to escalate their protests.
Again, the author erred. Later estimates stated that, by evidence unearthed in mass graves the killing had started within two months.
@HortenFlyingWing:CNN broadcast a series of specials…
The series was done by ABCTW(American Broadcating & Children’s Television Workshop.) CNN had merged to become MSCNNBC.
@HortenFlyingWing:The first word came of a detention camp north of Nazareth in which Jews expelled from their Galilee homes were being concentrated, with a second camp opened in the Negev near Rahat.
Another author err. The official death rate quoted was more like 12,000 a month. Beersheba “Warsaw” Ghetto was walled and guarded. Relocation unnecessary.
And the final blow…
Israel, knowing the end was near, unleased a nuclear attack. In Jordan, Amman became the first fireball. Al Aqabah was hit offshore causing a tidal wave, then flash fires, and a return tidal wave. Damascus, Syria was a mushroom cloud that could be seen from east of the Euphrates River. “Hims and Aleppo were hit with smaller bombs so as not to harm Turkey(from the diary of the head of the Israeli nuclear program).” In Lebanon, Beirut and Tripoli got a milder case of what became known as "the Al Aqabah effect."as for Saudi Arabia, Riyadh and Jiddah each took three missiles, while Mecca and Medina only received one. Meanwhile in Iraq, Baghdad had a dose, “Take 3 missiles once a day for two days” was the crass American joke for a time. Mosul and Al Basrah each had one ‘pill’ to take. The surprise was yet to come.Israel had secretly built an aircraft carrier that was disguised as an oil tanker. The ship, later called “Armageddon” by those who survived its attacks, sailed to the Persian Gulf and launched two groups of fighter-bombers. The first was launched just before dawn, from east of the Straight of Hormuz, and flew to east central Iran. From there they separated and flew to attack Mashhad, Kerman, Zahedan, and Bandar-e Abbas. All pilots were to destroy their planes. These manuevers were to confuse the search for the source of the attack.
Then the “Armageddon” sailed through the Straight of Hormuz and, after dark the next night, launched the second attack. Every city in Iran larger than 250,000, save one, was a raging inferno before dawn the next. Rasht, in northern Iran, was saved “by the will of Allah.” The road between Qazvin(to the south) and Rasht(near the north coast) was being blasted through the Elhurz Mountains. A single plane sent there was flying low through the mountains and picked the wrong pass. NOT where the road was, of which the Israeli air command was aware, But two passes to the west where additional rock was being blasted to fill in where the road would go. “The jet flew into a falling wall of gravel, rocks, and boulders. Gravel chewed up the jet turbofans, as the rocks and boulders shattered the canopy and severed the wings from the fuselage”(from the UN Incident Report as told by Nariq Hassan, Blasting Engineer). The unarmed bombs did not explode.Shortly thereafter, the UN moved into Israel and, with never-before-seen cooperation the surviving Israelis were transported to the southern tip of
Texas, just outside Corpus Christi. New Israel is a thriving nation of 6 million.However, No one suspected the automated nuclear missile attack that was launched 100 years later (2106) from the hidden facility in the Negev. It did explain why the Israelis used jets to deliver most of their first salvo one hundred years before. The delivery pattern was ingenious in that every previous target was bracketed rather than targeted. This attack killed every devout Muslim who wished to live and die near one of the two score holy places that they could not call home.
“We are proceeding toward a time of no
religion at all.” - Deitrich Bonhoeffer“Theology is anthropology.” - Ludwig Feurbach
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FROM THE FUTURE (2043)- …
and you talk of losing credibilty?
at least i marked my sentence as irony, whereas your “addition” to the text seems to be deep from your heart.you make me sick !
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F_alk, i think you’re over-reacting. One might well say the same of Tom Clancy, or any other novellist or wanna’ be. Suggesting a scenario, including this one, does not too me suggest a “desired” scenario. Canadians long have predicted/considered “merging with America” scenarios that many of us never wish to see, however it makes often for interesting discussion material (or entertainment - not “oh there’s a clown” entertainment so much as “oohhhh a bunch of guys got killed in a particular offensive during such and such a war” entertaining).
If this makes you sick, i’d suggest take 2 gravol and call me in the morning. -
c_c_, thanks for understanding.
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@F_k:…seems to be deep from your heart.
F_k, you wound me! Please, note the first line of the STORY you read.
@HFW:It was in the year 2006.
In addition, please, note the first line in the CORRECTIONS you read.
@Xi:FROM THE FUTURE (2043)
It seems that you lack the ability to engage in what all fiction writers refer to as “the temporary suspension of disbelief(TSD).”
Sorry, I cannot help you!!
I must seek assistance
to deal with my feelings.- Xi
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Errata : Due to the following statement…
@Xi:…attack that was launched 100 years later (2106)…
…the following statement…
@Xi:FROM THE FUTURE (2043)…
…must be considered author’s(b. 2089- d. 2207) error and amended to…
@Xi:FROM THE FUTURE (2143)…
History of the Earth , Third Planet from Star #37,696. Ch. 13, p. 283. KzrN 78N4451q, Ed. (14,082 G.K.). Trans., Xi 2334 (643 N.E.). (TSD) :wink:
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You invoked my TSD with the Barbara Striesand popularity impossibilities. Does anyone who listens to her actually have internet access?
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Barbara Striesand? Who’s that? :)
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@TG:
Barbara Striesand? Who’s that? :)
she’s the one who invented mircoeconomics :) ;)
to Xi: you are right about your first line, but the rest sounded so much like the above…… i took it seriously, sorry.
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she’s the one who invented mircoeconomics
Smart woman. :wink:
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So the jewish guy who wrote “Peace At Last” ripped it off from somewhere else? I’m confused.
And F_alk you goddamn moron, there was no joke or pun inteneded from what I wrote. I take it as a warning, only because I already see pieces falling into place. End of story.
“When German Justice Minister Herta Daubler-Gmelin accused Bush of using Iraq to “…distract attention from his domestic problems…” and that “Even Hitler did that”, she failed to notice the irony of what she was saying. Chancellor Gerhard Schroder’s anti-American rhetoric is used to cover up for his own domestic failures and Germany’s tanking economy. When did all of these European countries feel that they are some sort of moral superiors to the United States? It is all politics as usual in every country.”
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Chancellor Gerhard Schroder’s anti-American rhetoric is used to cover up for his own domestic failures and Germany’s tanking economy.
Where was Schroder’s promises of lowering Germany’s massive unemployment?
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And F_alk you goddamn moron, there was no joke or pun inteneded from what I wrote. I take it as a warning, only because I already see pieces falling into place. End of story.
You take it as a warning, i take it as a cheap and blind excuse to go on and send soldiers against civilians.
“When German Justice Minister Herta Daubler-Gmelin accused Bush of using Iraq to “…distract attention from his domestic problems…” and that “Even Hitler did that”, she failed to notice the irony of what she was saying. Chancellor Gerhard Schroder’s anti-American rhetoric is used to cover up for his own domestic failures and Germany’s tanking economy. When did all of these European countries feel that they are some sort of moral superiors to the United States? It is all politics as usual in every country.”
Well, at least we use rethoric to cover our domestic failures and don’t start wars that kill people to do that. I prefer the first way i must admit.
Anyway: the comment of Herta Däubler-Gmelin is not excusable, and she stepped back before she could get fired (which would have happened effectively, as in her not being announced as “new minister of justice”).Btw, are your last sentences quotes or your own opinion (the last quotation mark confuses me)?
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“And F_alk you goddamn moron, there was no joke or pun inteneded from what I wrote. I take it as a warning, only because I already see pieces falling into place. End of story.”
Strong language, sorry about me saying that. I was in a bad mood.
"You take it as a warning, i take it as a cheap and blind excuse to go on and send soldiers against civilians….-it looks like you want to sell a serious point on a funny and ‘thoughtful’ way.
Let me tell you, you failed in both. I have never read a worse piece of propaganda. "How is it funny or thoughtful? That response is close to psychotic with its random accusations. I don’t want a war in Iraq. NONE. Bush blew it. But now, the UN security council is working on denouncing Israel and the “palestinians” again…woop-ee-doo. All those countries damn well know trying to protect Saddam’s “soveirgnty” and talking that out is yet another stalling tactic. Either no questions asked weapons inspections (what i want), or war. If the UN cannot comply, Bahrain, Qutar, Turkey, GHreat Britain, and the US can.
Your stalling tactic will cost lives. Make a stand and demand that iraq be subjected to toal weapons inspection.
“Well, at least we use rethoric to cover our domestic failures and don’t start wars that kill people to do that. I prefer the first way i must admit.
Anyway: the comment of Herta Däubler-Gmelin is not excusable, and she stepped back before she could get fired (which would have happened effectively, as in her not being announced as “new minister of justice”).”She resigned, because she said such a stupid thing. And we did not yet fight iraq. That is up to the security council to get its ass in gear and accept the british resolution. Destroying the taliban decentralized al-qaeda, and that helped save many lives…especially the fact that there were planned terrorist attacks in Germany too.
“Btw, are your last sentences quotes or your own opinion (the last quotation mark confuses me)?
I guess we started to feel superior the moment that you started to think that you are always right.”We’re not always right, but by hell you are not. “Politics as usual.” I meant every country uses these political tactics with war and such (and the explotion of it.) That does nothing with the fact if a war is necessary or not. Do you catch my drift?
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Strong language, sorry about me saying that. I was in a bad mood.
No worries, i know myself good enough not to blame anyone for such a thing.
I don’t want a war in Iraq. NONE. Bush blew it. But now, the UN security council is working on denouncing Israel and the “palestinians” again…woop-ee-doo. All those countries damn well know trying to protect Saddam’s “soveirgnty” and talking that out is yet another stalling tactic. Either no questions asked weapons inspections (what i want), or war. If the UN cannot comply, Bahrain, Qutar, Turkey, GHreat Britain, and the US can.
To make my stand:
I don’t want in Iraq. I don’t want a war in Palestine and Israel. THe problem and difference between these two is:
The resolutions against the Iraq cover “domestic” issues (as long as he doesn’t invade other countries or uses his weapons abroad), while the resolutions against Israel (which are being defied much longer than the Iraq defies its resolutions) cover “international” affairs, as they cover issues in and about the occupied areas.
So, there is a difference. What you make out of that is totally your own business.“I guess we started to feel superior the moment that you started to think that you are always right.”
We’re not always right, but by hell you are not. “Politics as usual.” I meant every country uses these political tactics with war and such (and the explotion of it.) That does nothing with the fact if a war is necessary or not. Do you catch my drift?
Sure we are not alwys right. Noone is. But we don’t claim that we are always right, and we don’t condemn people who say their different opinion loudly without a single thought over that opinion.
Your “politics as usual” covers not such a lot of countries. “War” as a political instrument lost much (if not all) of its importance after WWII in europe and parts of asia. It may be deployed still by the US and Russia and a few others (mostly countries looking for local hegemony), but i would never call war a political instrument. War is murder on a greater scale, in very rare cases it might be unavoidable: but then i wouldn’t call it a “political tactic”, not even a “political means”, but the “failure of politics”. -
war is most deinantly political. How about britain and the fokland islands? How about germans, europeans, and americans liberating Kuwait from Iraq? Obviously it was a wise political mood.
“To make my stand:
I don’t want in Iraq. I don’t want a war in Palestine and Israel. THe problem and difference between these two is:
The resolutions against the Iraq cover “domestic” issues (as long as he doesn’t invade other countries or uses his weapons abroad)”Not to buy chinese radar systems and what not…
“, while the resolutions against Israel (which are being defied much longer than the Iraq defies its resolutions)”
Right there, stop the lie. STOP! That is opinion not fact, and a bad opinion
because it is an outright lie. Iraq tortures far more than the Israelis, and they (Qussai’s secret police) torture to keep saddam in power, and the rare instances of torture from the IDF deal with captured killers…and that is extremely rare. You condemn israelis executions of people they cannot arrests. One cannot count or remember those killed by Saddam in Iraq.
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