In games where the Axis is given a bid the Russians can begin to be in trouble by turn 5 or 6. This is because its usually at point that the Germans have enough quantity of troops on the ground to begin a walkthrough the Cauc strategy via Ukr in order to back Russia out of Karelia. If they can do this and have Japan at the same time take and hold Novo then its lights out for Russia sooner or later. The best tactic is to strafe Moscow with the Germans and then finish them off with the Japs.
Problems with Russia
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I hate being Russia.I have learned to contain germany but I just can’t stop Japan comin from the west.Does anyone have a solid russian strategy that stops both germany and Japan. if so I would like to hear one.
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Allied cooperation is the only way to save Russia.
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I see what the problem is already. You are looking for a Russian strategy when their is no winning Russian strategy. There are Axis strategies and their are Allies strategies. No country can do it alone, so their strategies should be unified and coordinated.
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Fine then smart guy do you have any defensive russian strategies
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buy Infantry, and then buy some more infantry, and when you get tired of buying infantry, buy even more infantry…and don’t forget a tank and a fighter.
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OR, you could have some fun as Russia.
First turn - 3 tanks 3 infantry
Attack Ukraine with Everything in Cauc and Karelia. Land fighters in Karelia. Place units in Karelia.Second turn - Buy 2 tanks and the rest Infantry. Attack Eastern Europe Germany could never hold this) if germany tries to make a stand. If Germany is smart and retreats, Attack with minor forces and put the rest into Finland Norway.
Third Turn - Retreat to Ukraine/Karelia
Keep pressure on Germany and you’ll win. The allies will have to make a strong attack on Africa for this. I would only use this if you are controlling all 3 allies, as it takes a lot of cooperation.
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Lov the Strategiy.Im playing the board game tomorow and Im gonna try it
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I recomend a slightly more conservative approch and sending a couple of infantry east every turn after eliminating most of the infantry in Manchuria (but not taking it).
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I play Russia restricted, so i defend Karelia with about 18 infantry, 2 tanks and 2 fighters. I only leave 2 infantry behind in caucasus cause if germany tries taking it with 2 fighters and 3 infantry (opponents often try that i noticed) you can smash the germans in eastern europe on turn 2. Because germany lacks infantry in Eastern Europe on turn 1 so if they send another 3 infantry into Caucasus they dont have the means to protect Eastern Europe. Most german players reinforce EE with armor then and these can be crushed by russia on turn 2 :smile:
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Iv’e played with Russia a couple of times since i posted this and I have tried some new things and I have frustrated my opponents with staling attacks and tough reisistance.I also think that your allies must open a second front against Germany and Japan.If you and your allies do those two things than russia will survive and become an offensive threat against the axis.
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honestly, when I play as the allies, or when Im on a team with someone else. I jsut go for an all out attack on germany with everything I got and jsut keep them pinned so they CANT attack russia or Karelia (or caucusus in the nes version. If oyu keep them back on their heels they have no hope.
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OR, you could have some fun as Russia.
First turn - 3 tanks 3 infantry
Attack Ukraine with Everything in Cauc and Karelia. Land fighters in Karelia. Place units in Karelia.Second turn - Buy 2 tanks and the rest Infantry. Attack Eastern Europe Germany could never hold this) if germany tries to make a stand. If Germany is smart and retreats, Attack with minor forces and put the rest into Finland Norway.
Third Turn - Retreat to Ukraine/Karelia
Keep pressure on Germany and you’ll win. The allies will have to make a strong attack on Africa for this. I would only use this if you are controlling all 3 allies, as it takes a lot of cooperation.
I’m new and a little confused. Let me see if I get this right. Russia takes out ukraine & then noncombats 2 figs & 4 inf to kar. Add in the placement of 3 arm,3 inf and you have a total of 7 inf,3 arm,2 figs in kar. Instead of ee being smart & retreating, hows about ger sending 6 inf,5 arm,4 figs,1 bom & crushing that little pile of crap in kar??
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OR, you could have some fun as Russia.
First turn - 3 tanks 3 infantry
Attack Ukraine with Everything in Cauc and Karelia. Land fighters in Karelia. Place units in Karelia.Sounds like a losing strategy for the Red Army.
If Karelia is only defended with 2 fig, 3 arm, 3 inf + what is brougt up from moscow, then Germany will surely attack and take karelia during G1.
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I hate being Russia.I have learned to contain germany but I just can’t stop Japan comin from the west.Does anyone have a solid russian strategy that stops both germany and Japan. if so I would like to hear one.
Here’s a fine approved strategy for the Red Army, - excellent against the combined Axis.
It’s a so called “Germany first” strategy (with detailed focus on the asian front):
Rus1: Buy 8inf.
If not RusRestrict, take Norw/fin (with 3armour +fig+3inf), and bomb german tranny with 1fig (or let the UK do it if you’re scared)
Leave Asia open except for 6inf in Yakut, and 1inf + 1arm in Novosib.
Defence on Europe front should be centered in Karelia, except for 1inf in Caucasus.
move all other (8) inf to Karelia.
Place 8inf in KareliaJapan1: Japan takes Sov Far East
Ger1: Takes Kaukasus
Rus2: Buy 1fig+4inf.
Take Sov Far East back with 6inf from Yakut.
Take Norway (if not already) + take Caucasus
Non com: Support maybe US in Sink with 1inf from Novosib.
Place 1fig+4inf in Karelia.Japan2: Japan takes Yakut.
Ger2: Takes Caucasus
Rus3: Buy 1 arm + ? inf
Take Yakut back with all infantry (+fig from Kar but only if necessary) from Sov Far East
retake Caucasus (and use maybe the “strong armoured (2 tanks) attack against EastEuro with everything available, but retreat to Kar before winning”-tactics) or maybe don’t.
non Combat: Move inf back from Sink to hold Novosib
place 1arm+1inf in moscow, the rest inf in KareliaJapan3: takes Sov Far East & Sink
germany3: ?Rus4: Buy 1fig+1arm+?inf
Take Ukraine (or use the “strong attack against german EE stronghold, kill most - but retreat before winning” tactics)
Non com: Move fig to Yakut if not desperately needed in Karelia.
enforce Novo & Yakut effectively, for a long trench battle.Japan4: ?
Rus5: Finish off the Germans in East Euro.
That’s it!
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Everything he just said is bullsh*t!! 8-)
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I agree with Scarface! 3arm 3inf to Norway R1 is just asking Germany to attack your stack in Karelia G1. 1 fgt vs. 1 sub 1 trn in the baltic sea is asking for trouble. And how on earth can Russia hold Yakut and Novisibirsk from Japan while “finishing off Germany in EE” on R5???
You must be playing against pretty incompetent axis players…
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Holy old threads, Batman!
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I agree with Scarface! 3arm 3inf to Norway R1 is just asking Germany to attack your stack in Karelia G1. 1 fgt vs. 1 sub 1 trn in the baltic sea is asking for trouble. And how on earth can Russia hold Yakut and Novisibirsk from Japan while “finishing off Germany in EE” on R5???
You must be playing against pretty incompetent axis players…
Okay, I like a good debate! 8-)
- Maybe you didn’t think it all through Clayton, or maybe you missed some details. Let’s try again:
after rus1 - the army in Karelia is:
2 rus fig
16 rus inf!!!(8 placed, 4 from Cau, 4 from Rus)
Sorry guys, The germans wont have a chance if they attack in G1. Why? - they have no army in Norway and no tranny.
Pity for them :-)They won’t have a chance G2 either, why? 2 uk fig, 1 rus fig, 4 rus inf has arrived.
Too bad too sad, That’s life. Ze great Russia will always win!That’s was why they had to invent the bidding-thing. Horrorfied A&A players simply refused to face The Red Army unless heavily bribed. :roll:
Well, - the extremely intelligent reason for taking 3inf to Norway (as pawns), is to save the 3 tanks for attack on Caucasus on rus2 (they obviously wont be counterattacked while in Norway, - and PLEASE NOTE: I didn’t purchase armour on rus1 & rus2, so they HAVE to survive)
And how on earth can Russia hold Yakut and Novisibirsk from Japan while “finishing off Germany in EE” on R5?
Precisely as the Colonel ordered. Japan will try to take Novosib on Jap5 if not already on jap4 - but too little to late……
Please notice, that after rus4 there’s 1fig and 4-5 inf in Yakut, - adjacent to which Novosib could have (according to my plan, check again) received enforcements (not much probably). At this point Russia can gain some valuable extra time from trading off Yakut (a strategic retreat), to keep the stronghold at NOVOSIB.The Red Army will surely hold the line and all imperialist armies will eventually be forced back :-D IMHO: less than 16 rounds - before only Tokyo is left to deal with.
Well now, At that time in history Japan surrendered unconditionally. Not because of the nuclear bombs, as we would like to believe, but because The Red Army (in the very last round) suddenly invaded Manchuria with 10.000 tanks, ;-)
…So I’m sorry guys, you missed the target, Try just a little harder next time, huh ?.. :evil:
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Sounds like a fine plan to me!! :-D
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Ahhh, my apologies, I was assuming you were playing with a bid.
I agree 100% that this strat would work when playing without a bid. However there are also countless other strats that will work equally as well without a bid because it is too easy for the allies to win. My question is does this strat stand up when playing against a bid? And I don’t believe it would playing against a PE bid or even a split bid b/w Europe and Africa. In this situation I believe that Germany can take Karelia G1 as I suggested earlier, and there is no way Russia will be pushing Germany out of Eastern Europe while defending Yakut and Novisibirsk in Round 5.
Possibly trading EEU and NOV, I’ll give you that. But not holding all 3. No way. Russian supply lines would be stretched way too thin, and you haven’t even built arm R1 or R2.
Against no bid however, I cannot find fault with your strategy.
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