GARGANTUA'S $200 TOURNAMENT OF EXTRA DEATH AND PAIN (TripleA Only) 2xELIMINATION

[Guest]

Maybe you could roll 1D6 on here and team A gets allies if its even; axis if its odd.

[Gargantua]

That’s what I did before.

But there were gripes good sir!

Gripes!

I refuse to have Gripes in the Tournament of Extra Death and Pain!

Either players choose to agree to a bid, or the Arbitrary coin falls!

[Veqryn]

arbitrary is better imho,
just try to make sure each team plays the same number of games as axis, as they do as allies
then we can judge at the end of this whole tourney, which side won more games, without any bids or changing teams to mess it up!

[Cow]

I prefer randomization. People who complain are in the minority.

[Cow]

you can tell by taking total # of players - complaints. the leftover are people who are okay or happy.

[eskander]

Garg

Having finally taken the time to look at this bracket madness, I have a thought. An idea.

Not a gripe, mind you. Maybe a thought with a serious flaw that did not occur to me in the 5 minutes it took for me to arrive at this thought.

But I submit it to the floor for further thought.

Perhaps it was quite by intention, but with the brackets being setup as is, it is rather possible to face off against the same team one has already beaten or been beaten by in the 2nd game of the Last Stand bracket.  It is certainly not an unexpected eventually at some point in the tournament, but this may happen as early as some folks’ 3rd game.

While I don’t think this is an issue in the ultimate determination of a champion team of the overall tournament, I do think this slightly goes against the spirit of this tournament, which, if I understand correctly, is to encourage diversity in pushing folks out of their comfort zone to play with a variety of other folks.

A simple fix, if it doesn’t screw up any logic that may have been behind this bracket, is to simply adjust the pairing of the 2nd game losing teams with the 1st Last Stand game winners.

If my meaning is not clear, see the attached UNOFFICIAL bracket edit. (I highlighted edits in the LS with GREEN.)

Shifting the pairing down by 1 number may not mitigate it enough, so what I chose to do is shift by 4.

Why? 4 is half of 8, the total number of 2nd tier games in the ‘winning’ bracket.

This would ensure that Last Stand teams are paired with other teams that are furthest away from their starting positions in the bracket.  This means that teams would not rematch against each other so early in the tournament and rather leave such eventualities for later.

I didn’t take the time to wrap my brain around the pairing in the 3rd LS tier so I didn’t edit that, but I’m sure similar logic could be applied to mitigate this.

If this has already been discussed… oops. I didn’t read the 30+ pgs before this.

Shrug.

A thought.

UNOFFICIAL PROPOSED EDIT XDAP Tournament Bracketing 2012.xls

[Gargantua]

I ACCEPT your Proposal Eskander! Good work!

Bracket updated!

UNOFFICIAL PROPOSED EDIT XDAP Tournament Bracketing 2012.xls

[dutchmand]

@Gargantua:

I ACCEPT your Proposal Eskander! Good work!

Bracket updated!

Our magnanimus Leader listens listens to his people!

[Gargantua]

yes. and if you run into your brother i’ll adjust the brackets again.

[eskander]

Good to see agreement.

Using similar logic in the third tier of the LS bracket, to ensure no rematches could happen in that bracket requires an edit of LS26 being switched with LS27.

After that, though, I think it’s rather fair and expected that a rematch may happen as avoiding such things would be more troublesome than just rearranging some numbers (or impossible).

This edit’s effect is much smaller in scope than the last one, though, so I wouldn’t worry about it if its troublesome to keep changing up the brackets.

That is all.

[Yam]

@Cow:

Yeah well I had like 70% odds as far as the fleet went, don’t remember the ground forces. So you sucked out in a dice game, it would be like me bragging about beating zhukov after watching 3 of his 5 g1 attacks fail… or me beating yamamot0 5 times in a row when he went pacific in aa50 1941. I also lost my capital when I was germany with 90% to defend in the first round of the aa50 tournament, I was like wow, I mean it was a good move, I did not think of him as the type of player to take a long shot like that.

If you want a rematch in aa50 41’, I’ll give you one. 13 bid allies, 1 unit per territory, pick a side. low luck, no tech.

I also stopped playing on the forum because Jen did something that made me only want to play games with marty server dice rolls emailed to me.

Cow, you must have been dreaming.

[Gargantua]

Yeah! Get in there Yam! Yeah! :P

Eskander, consider youself the unofficial bracket editer, if more randomization is required, or if it needs updating, and I haven’t done it yet.

Official Brother!

[Gargantua]

Team Mountain HIGH just imploded and turned into Valley LOW.

Dairy Qyrn advances…

[Cow]

I really wanted a pacific win. I may have won this game by taking london and east usa with germany… but I suffer a morale defeat! JAPAN WAS THE GREATEST COUNTRY AT THE START OF WORLD WAR 2 AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4pKcU4iWgQ

[Cow]

hmm veqryn.  I will take usa/uk/china. you take france/anzac/russia. We should split these countries up by turn orders, it would be silly for me to take a turn then you then me then enemies… I see that in other games.

Then again Russia is supposed to die on like G6-G9, unless usa/uk/anzac flies in a bunch of air.  After you lose russia you can take over UK/china and I will play USA / ANZAC.

[Most Holy]

Bwaha. “After we lose you can take over UK”

Best post ever!

[Cow]

I don’t see russia surviving much these days. Most players race now.

[Cow]

I mean you can take russia as early as G5 if you bomb it with japan on J3 and then suicide all your japan air on J4 to kill as many russian inf as possible so germany can attack it G5.

Holding russia is tricky now. I mean especially now that the whole russian income africa thing is being exploited… axis players push for earlier takedowns of russia. so allies have to either A) fly a bunch of air in sooner B) race the pacific.

[Veqryn]

just a thought, but what do anzac and russia have in common?  i don’t mind splitting them up by theater

ie: usa/china/anzac and russia/france/uk

anyway, w/e, pm me what your strategy is going to be

[Cow]

your lack of attack freightens me… so I gave you countries that relax. lol.