Interesting story Garg, interesting story.
And thanks Marc for the background info. It’s easy to forget/overlook things like that.
Rommel and Hitler
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Ah that’s nice. Even though Guderian was fighting on the wrong side, you have to admire anybody who could formulate tactics like his and have them be so successful. Thank God he wasn’t captured by the Russians. Lord knows what they would’ve done with him.
Bottom line: Hitler was a jerk that didn’t listen to information given by Generals who actually knew who to do their jobs correctly. He probably helped the allies win the war more then anyone else.
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you got to hand it to Hitler… when he took full control of army group B during operation blue he did a lot of great things…not!!!
Hitler was a drug addict control freak. He should of never ran a war. Ironically, the allies called off an assassinnation (spelling, sorry) attempt, becuase they knew hitler was running his country into the ground.
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Anybody who marries their own niece and then commits suicide has to be a whack job. Of course there are some doubts if Hitler really died and the body the Russians found really wasn’t his…
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he married Eva Braun, not his neice, but he was planning to marry his neice Geli Raubal, and she supposedly committed suicide after a fight with hitler. Word was that she was embarrassing (bad spelling) Hitler, and so she was murdered.
Hitler probably killed himself, he was dying already from natural sicknesses and those induced by his drug habits. he might of gave himself Parkinsans Disease! (more bad spelling…) so even if he was out of Berlin, he might of died on the trip down to his house in the mountains. Finding the fake bodies, and not knowing where the ashes to the real one is, is suspicious though.
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From what I read there are still pieces of Hitler’s skull still hidden with Soviet Vaults. But beyond that, who knows? I was thinking with the fall of the USSR, more information would surface, but so far, there hasn’t been much word. There have been several reports of Hitler sightings, and that the Russians merely made up Hitler’s body to bring some closure to Stalin, who had this obsession about Hitler.
BTW: Thanks Flying Wing for the correction. My memory is still a little fuzzy about Hitler since I don’t really study that jerk.
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oh no problem…
parts of his skull? Hitler was such a mess of a man, i don’t know how far he would of got if he didn’t kill himself.
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Having a bomb go off under your a$$ doesn’t help much either…
Ozone27
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Yeah, too bad it didn’t kill the madman.
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i don’t know. how many men would die if civil war insued between the SS and main army?
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Well if all the SS were deployed on the frontlines, then how would they know of Hitler’s death? Then you have the homeguard SS, but they were merely a police force. Another fact is that a lot of the SS didn’t like Hitler either and were willing to swtich sides if it was to their advantage.
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True, but if the army took control, they could of ran the war more efficiently.
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Part of the decision not to assassinate Hitler, which would have been EASY, was based on fear of retaliation. This was due to what happened after they did assassinate a German officer and the Germans massacred something like 5000 innocent civilians in retaliation. Plus they weren’t sure that it would have worked out better for them if someone else ran Germany instead of Hitler.
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Well I say that the Germans would surrender outright to the Allies. Any intelligent German officer could see that the war was clearly lost by 1944. As for the fear of retaliation, what’s to fear when you cut of the head of the snake? Then again there were still some diehard Nazis who retreated to the Southern Mountains of Germany even after the war to fight another day (1946-1949).
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Most generals agreed the war was over before it started. Germany could never sustain a two front war with the US as an untouchable base for the then European Allied powers. Hitler’s early political and military achievements silenced all early critics and the SS and Gestapo silenced the later ones…
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Well what do you mean the German’s lost the war before it even started? Are you referring to September 1st, 1939 or when America (the last remaining power) entered the war? Personally, I think that by 1942 (and at most early-mid 1943) the Germans and Japanese still had a decent shot at winning the war.
[ This Message was edited by: TG Moses VI on 2002-03-30 10:07 ]
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the germans wanted to continue fighting russia, even Doenitz in the end tried to do that, and then decided to move forces to be captured by the western allies.
Germany’s chance of winning the war flew out the window the moment they declared war on America. They could of not out produced america in men or supplies. Though russia did the majority of the fighting, Germany was getting along pretty well, and had chances to pull it around. (In 44 they even stalled the russian advance until winter.) America made german victory impossible. They wasted 3 million (men) in france alone. If GB was the only threat, 2 million could of made a huge difference against the russians.
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The strategists in the Axis camp knew it was only a matter of time before America would join the war with it’s WW1 Allies. Germany could have defeated England alone with or without US backing, but not the Russians and English together. In order to win, Germany would have first have to defeat England on English soil. The Americans would have then been cut off from the war indirectly. After the UK surrendered, Russia could have been next. Hitler got too impatient and started the eastern war too soon. Japan should not have attacked Pearl and the Axis probably could have kept the US out of the war for a number of years which would have taken Russia and neutralized China. Only with this scenario did they have a chance. The US HAD to stay out of the war for Axis victory. It may have worked with competent Axis leadership and co-operation. We know that wasn’t the case…
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On 2002-03-30 12:38, Field Marshal wrote:
The strategists in the Axis camp knew it was only a matter of time before America would join the war with it’s WW1 Allies. Germany could have defeated England alone with or without US backing, but not the Russians and English together. In order to win, Germany would have first have to defeat England on English soil. The Americans would have then been cut off from the war indirectly. After the UK surrendered, Russia could have been next. Hitler got too impatient and started the eastern war too soon. Japan should not have attacked Pearl and the Axis probably could have kept the US out of the war for a number of years which would have taken Russia and neutralized China. Only with this scenario did they have a chance. The US HAD to stay out of the war for Axis victory. It may have worked with competent Axis leadership and co-operation. We know that wasn’t the case…The Americans were actually sinking U-Boats and vice versa before declraration of war, and america could of liberated GB from Iceland. Hitler was a dying man, and he wanted to escalate the war. He should of delayed the war to at least 42. An invasion of britain was next to impossible to pull off (even with air superiority.) Germany really should of invested in their helecopters, but i believe germany never wanted to invade GB. they wanted to make peace with them. They actually had something against the russian people.
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they say only 1% of convoys across the Atlantic were sunk by U-boats that means that 99% went across untuched.
Hitler a drug adict? i thought he was a health freak he did not even allow smoking in his Berlin bunker.
oh ya and he also killed his dog allong with his wife.
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Hitler complained about the US engaging in “war like” activities in the Atlantic, but took no real action towards declaring war on the US on his own. After Pearl Harbor, he hoped Japan would keep the US busy enough and out of the European/African theaters. Again, he grossly under-estimated US power and production capability.
He also lived in the illusion of a Germany/UK Axis. Western attitudes towards the Communists were no secret. He failed to realize the British would never settle for peace after the fall of France and would ally with Moscow to defeat the common enemy. The attrocities in the camps were hitting intelligence circles early on…
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