Can a sub go through an un friendly staright?(denmark)

[cminke]

oppps i just saw that.  o well

[cminke]

why not the straight of denmark???

[Krieghund]

They are too shallow for subs to pass through submerged.

[cminke]

really how deep r they.

[cminke]

and which one do you need to go through. norway or denmark or both?

[kcdzim]

@cminke:

and which one do you need to go through. norway or denmark or both?

I advise you to take a look at a map.  The Danish Strait, between Denmark and Sweden has several large islands and if it’s anything like the swedish archipelago (which I’m more familiar with), probably has dozens of smaller islands as well.  And unlike the strait of Gibraltor, it’s narrower and more difficult to navigate surreptitiously.  Not to mention that I believe Germany mined it extensively.  And they also had the Kiel Canal to connect the Baltic and Channel as an alternate route.

FYI, It’s technically not called the Denmark Strait as that is the passage between iceland and greenland, where the Battle of the Denmark Strait (Bismark, Hood, et al) took place.

[cminke]

ya i saw that just now while researching.

[rocknroll]

actually it is called skagerrak and kattegat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagerrak

here you can see it as it is today.

greetz

[cminke]

that id what i saw but it still does not answer my question. how deep is it?

[rocknroll]

not more than 100 m.

better now? ;)

[cminke]

damn the uk actualy took norway, and denmark by landing troops on both cutting my 7 subs from reaching the brit massive naval army(2bb s, 2cruisers, , and a sub as well as 4 transports and in sz#2 3 dd s 1 crusers and a transport).  and this is why i needed the rule to aply to denmark.
@cminke:

thanks this is a game saver for germany

this as said by me is a mestake. i got excited when i saw “yes…” and did’nt realize it did’nt help me at all! :(

[Ruanek]

I think the rule is mainly to help out Germany.  Perhaps it could be modified to allow subs out, because of the Kiel Canal?

[kcdzim]

@Ruanek:

I think the rule is mainly to help out Germany.  Perhaps it could be modified to allow subs out, because of the Kiel Canal?

Basically, you’re proposing that control of West Germany allows subs (though the canal could fit all contemporary German ships) transit between the Baltic and North sea.  Which probably would be a fine house rule, but in most games it won’t ever come up as Germany has more fish to fry if they no longer control Denmark and rarely has so many subs in the baltic as cminke had.

The other problem with that logic is that if the Allies had control of Denmark, I find it suspect that the Kiel Canal would be safe as it is so near by and would be easily bombed (so maybe some subs could pass, but I think flotillas of them would be spotted and destroyed).

So essentially, if you control Denmark, you control the Danish Strait, and by virtue of being so close, you close off the Kiel Canal to anyone else.  Which basically makes the Kiel Canal, if it were on the map, function exactly like the Danish Strait - control Denmark, control passage between the Baltic and North Sea.  So in my opinion, adding in the Kiel Canal would be unnecessary as the Danish Strait accomplishes exactly that.

edited - the Bismark did transit through the canal

[Ruanek]

You have a point.  Subs being able to go through the Danish straits or not (or the Kiel Canal) Germany probably has bigger things to worry about if Denmark falls.

[cminke]

i did not see the transport in the mass of ships

[Ruanek]

@cminke:

i did not see the transport in the mass of ships

What do you mean?

[cminke]

the uk had a mass of ships comming from canada and the uk player slyly hidd 2 transports among them i thought they were just renforcments w/ out transportys. other wise i would have prepared