Table Tactics New Product Release

[LuckyDay]

My only complaint from what I’ve seen of the new TT stuff is more towards Fairplay; how much do these pieces weigh?  30 pieces somehow comes to 9.50 for S/H from a warehouse via the post office?! or $20 via UPS or whatnot?!  It’s like paying twice for one set (doesn’t get that much better for buying a bunch either, unless I get $125 worth, which would be great, but dang…)  I may actually drive up to Flint to get these and save the shipping… or better yet, Jack, are you in Michigan?  Can I get some straight from you and give you the whole cut of money?

[Rorschach]

@LuckyDay:

My only complaint from what I’ve seen of the new TT stuff is more towards Fairplay; how much do these pieces weigh?  30 pieces somehow comes to 9.50 for S/H from a warehouse via the post office?! or $20 via UPS or whatnot?!  It’s like paying twice for one set (doesn’t get that much better for buying a bunch either, unless I get $125 worth, which would be great, but dang…)  I may actually drive up to Flint to get these and save the shipping… or better yet, Jack, are you in Michigan?  Can I get some straight from you and give you the whole cut of money?

haha, you think that’s bad?  I was hoping to order some of the other sets (with helicopters/jets) but I have to re-think it.  $29.50 for shipping to Canada on a $12 order.  :(

[LuckyDay]

dang, you win, but that’s not a good thing to win at…

[Table Tactics]

@knp7765:

When are the new Russian pieces going to be available at Fairplay Games?

The folks at FairPlayGames are letting me down.  I delivered the Russian’s to them 2 weeks ago and they have not put them up for sale.  :|

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@Rorschach:

@LuckyDay:

My only complaint from what I’ve seen of the new TT stuff is more towards Fairplay; how much do these pieces weigh?  30 pieces somehow comes to 9.50 for S/H from a warehouse via the post office?! or $20 via UPS or whatnot?!  It’s like paying twice for one set (doesn’t get that much better for buying a bunch either, unless I get $125 worth, which would be great, but dang…)  I may actually drive up to Flint to get these and save the shipping… or better yet, Jack, are you in Michigan?  Can I get some straight from you and give you the whole cut of money?

haha, you think that’s bad?  I was hoping to order some of the other sets (with helicopters/jets) but I have to re-think it.  $29.50 for shipping to Canada on a $12 order.  :(

Email Tracy & Tiffany at fairplaygames and ask them if they can give you a better deal on the shipping.  I know that the calculator for European orders is messed up.  It may be the same problem for Canada.

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@LuckyDay:

My only complaint from what I’ve seen of the new TT stuff is more towards Fairplay; how much do these pieces weigh?  30 pieces somehow comes to 9.50 for S/H from a warehouse via the post office?! or $20 via UPS or whatnot?!  It’s like paying twice for one set (doesn’t get that much better for buying a bunch either, unless I get $125 worth, which would be great, but dang…)  I may actually drive up to Flint to get these and save the shipping… or better yet, Jack, are you in Michigan?  Can I get some straight from you and give you the whole cut of money?

I am in Michigan.  Where do you hail from?

[Table Tactics]

Sorry for not getting back here more often.  I have been working on a new game design that I hope will provide a market for the new “to big stuff”.  Then I could see about fixing my size problem.  :-D

[Variable]

Okay Jack, you’ve got my attention. So let me be the first to ask… Hints? Details to share?

[LuckyDay]

@Table:

I am in Michigan.  Where do you hail from?

I’m from Bay City, but live right now just outside Youngstown OH, so I’m back up fairly regularly.

[DrLarsen]

The folks at FairPlayGames are letting me down.  I delivered the Russian’s to them 2 weeks ago and they have not put them up for sale.

All the more reason to create your own retail outlet for your stuff!

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@Variable:

Okay Jack, you’ve got my attention. So let me be the first to ask… Hints? Details to share?

The game will allocate each player so much to buy units.  You decide what to buy.
The game will have no dice rolling or cards that determine the winner.  This will be determined by your fire power, armor class and secret bid.  This will put the outcome in the players hands not in random chance.

I know you guys like dice but sometimes putting the outcome of the battle in your own hands would be a nice change.  Also were trying to make the game around a 2 hour play time.

I figure it would work like this: Saturday play a game then take out the trash.  Play a game then cut the grass.  Play a game then take the wife out to dinner.  Play a game and then play with the wife.

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@LuckyDay:

@Table:

I am in Michigan.  Where do you hail from?

I’m from Bay City, but live right now just outside Youngstown OH, so I’m back up fairly regularly.

You almost pass right by my place on your way to Bay City.  I’m sure we can work something out.  :-D

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@DrLarsen:

The folks at FairPlayGames are letting me down.  I delivered the Russian’s to them 2 weeks ago and they have not put them up for sale.

All the more reason to create your own retail outlet for your stuff!

That is in the plan but right now we have a couple people in the family who are in really bad shape.  Plus we are unloading the farm.  All of this will be over by the end of the year.  Then will have cash flow and time for our own projects.

[DrLarsen]

I figure it would work like this: Saturday play a game then take out the trash.  Play a game then cut the grass.  Play a game then take the wife out to dinner.  Play a game and then play with the wife.

I guess playing a game WITH the wife is out of the question?  :-D

[Variable]

@DrLarsen:

I figure it would work like this: Saturday play a game then take out the trash.  Play a game then cut the grass.  Play a game then take the wife out to dinner.  Play a game and then play with the wife.

I guess playing a game WITH the wife is out of the question?  :-D

Not at my house! A&A, Battle Cry, Agricola… She’s down for it all. Don’t be TOO jealous guys…

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@Variable:

@DrLarsen:

I figure it would work like this: Saturday play a game then take out the trash.  Play a game then cut the grass.  Play a game then take the wife out to dinner.  Play a game and then play with the wife.

I guess playing a game WITH the wife is out of the question?  :-D

Not at my house! A&A, Battle Cry, Agricola… She’s down for it all. Don’t be TOO jealous guys…

You are saying you have found the perfect women?

[crsluggo]

No, because I have the perfect woman!

[Variable]

Your idea about buying armies using a points system reminds me a bit of the old Citadel game “Space Marine”. Basically, each unit had a card that was worth X points. Each side would spend the points allowed by the scenario and then battle it out. It could work for WW2 as long as you’re not trying to refight historical battles. It would end up being something similar to A&A GC where the premise is historical but the order of battle is completely fictional. I like it as it would allow us to be a “battlefield commander” without having to rehash battles that have already been fought.

[Table Tactics]

@Variable:

Your idea about buying armies using a points system reminds me a bit of the old Citadel game “Space Marine”. Basically, each unit had a card that was worth X points. Each side would spend the points allowed by the scenario and then battle it out. It could work for WW2 as long as you’re not trying to refight historical battles. It would end up being something similar to A&A GC where the premise is historical but the order of battle is completely fictional. I like it as it would allow us to be a “battlefield commander” without having to rehash battles that have already been fought.

Very good.  The game is a fictional mission.  :wink:

[DrLarsen]

OK TT, the moment of truth!  I’m carefully examining your full 6-power line-up of rifles and tanks, and seeing where they might fit into some sort of A&A “upgrade” line-up…

My preliminary thoughts, in no particular order are:

1. I think I’m struggling to understand your overall concept, here.

a. You’ve got uniform sets of rifle-stand infantry in 5 categories:
          i. rifle—14
          ii. SMG—6
          iii. AR—3
          iv. MG—6
          v. ATRL—3
[OK, so far so good, assuming I’m willing to give rifle-stand infantry a chance, I think I can come up with 5 types of infantry units…]

b. But with the tanks… is it supposed to be two size levels or three?
    c. Are you thinking a distinction between standard tank and TD?  But not all powers have a TD, and the ones that do have them in differing sizes…?

2. I can see what you’re trying to do with the smallest tanks being the same size as WotC standard tanks, and those you’ve done which are exactly the same tanks as the WotC ones  (Italy & Japan) are close enough in size to the WotC ones to work.  You could even go so far as to say that the WotC standard T-34’s are similar enough to T-70’s and WotC standard Shermans are similar enough to Stuarts to ignore this incongruity, but then it begins to break down because your own sizes are inconsistent and even seem almost random at times:
       a. Germany: You have no German light tanks (were you intending your Panzer IV’s to be light tanks?  If so, you made them too big.  They’re exactly the same size as your Panthers, which, even more oddly, are smaller than your Comets or T-34’s… I don’t get it…?!?)
       b. USSR: Your T-34’s are huge!!!  This is even more incongruous as they’re clearly T-34/76’s, not T-34/85’s, so you can’t be thinking of them as direct counter-parts of your Tigers…!?!  Even within any possible internally consistent standard I can think of regarding your own units, your T-34’s and SU-85’s should be smaller, about the same size as your Panthers, Panzer IV’s, Shermans and Chi-Ha’s
       c. Your British units are also oddly big, with the Cromwell the same size as your Tigers and your crusaders bigger than your light tanks, yet smaller than your medium (or is it heavy?) tanks.  And the Sherman, which is really very much in the same class as the Cromwell (and T-34, and Panzer IV, and arguably Panther) is strangely half-way in-between your already-strangely-in-between Crusader and your oddly-too-big Cromwell…  Even if I just lump all the tanks into just two size classes, the Crusader doesn’t clearly fit into either the light or medium/ heavy categories… (…and if I do that, then there’s definitely no German light…)
       d. USA:
             i. Tanks: Your US Sherman and US Pershing, very strangely, are almost the same size, making it harder to determine if you meant for the Pershing to be an upgrade or not.
             ii. TD’s: Your American M-18 Hellcat TD is oversize: it should be closer to a Sherman than to a Tiger.  Perhaps you were thinking of putting all TD’s into a large “heavy-hitting slugger” category, which makes sense given that your SU-85’s are also oversize (but maybe that’s just because they’re the same size as your T-34’s, which is perfectly accurate, as they were based on the same chassis), but then your Italian TD is a tiny light tank, so again I’m not sure what the concept here is supposed to be.  Since all the other American TD’s and SP’s (M10, M36, M7) were built on a Sherman chassis and the M18 was actually lighter and faster than any of the above, it seems a little odd to me that you would go ahead and make it not only way bigger than its Italian competitor, but also way bigger than the biggest US tank you did, the Pershing…  This might have made more sense if you’d done the M36 with its heavy-hitting 90mm cannon, but since the M36 was based on the Sherman chassis, this might have been even more inconguous if you’d wanted to make it so much obviously bigger than your Sherman.