I am mererly trying to emphasize that I think it is important. I threaten no one. When diplomacy fails it’s all out war with no warning or threat.
Hard to make a first post, but I have an idea.
Consider that dividing France into many territories would mess up the scale, considering how Britain and the whole Eastern US are only one territory apiece. France could be done with 3 income territories - One in the south, one in the west, and one in the east(containing Paris). The Maginot line could be represented by a thin territory with no income Between Paris and Germany. The line would contain many units and effectively make it impossible for the Germans to seize Paris in one turn(because without the line it would border Germany). Although the line would be capturable, it would take a considerable amount of resources and would encourage players to instead strike through neutral Benelux in order to get close to Paris.
Actually no, paris is NOT on the coast, britian IS divided up, and yes you CAN seize paris in one turn. dividing it up (remember the map is a lot bigger)
Welcome Xzorn, as Swiss pointed out some of your post is already determined for AA40Europe.
I do think Larry put the Paris territory next to the German boarder so France would fall early. You wouldn’t want it to take 2-3 turns because then Paris wouldn’t fall til 1941 (6 month turns). You also wouldn’t want the allies to be able to liberate Paris easily either (on the coast) need to keep it land locked for game play.
I gave you +1 karma just for contributing, keep it up.
That would simply be my idea if they were to introduce the line. In truth, it seems like they are doing it right if they want France to fall on time. In the real was it only lasted a few weeks, after all.
xzorn,
I think Maginot Line is incorporated into the Paris territory. Larry did say that France would be well represented. Larry also said the Germans will have the tac bmr/tank attack pairing at set up that will simply over power the French (Maginot Line), as it did in WWII. The Germans will also be staged in the low countries just above France showing its ability to blitzkrieg rendering the Maginot Line as an out dated defense. I would have liked to see a buffer territory between Western Germany and Paris that would have represented the Maginot line. Many think this area should have included the all hailed blockhouse unit, but it wasn’t meant to be. I think Larry wanted Paris to fall fast as it did, with out the possibility of a major delay throwing off the timetable. The way I look at it is the Maginot Line was not going to stop the Germans as their new blitzkrieg technique proved by bypassing most of it.
PS: I gave you a +1 karma for your second post, now you have twice as much good karma.
Concerning Vichy.
France surrendered and made peace with Germany (sort of), so all French Colonies should be “Neutral” after the Germans conquer Paris+ the Coast (Dunkirk)
technically the Free French Forces weree NOT representing France as France had a working government (De Gaulle could be seen as a mercenary /rebel - he was only a patriot because the Allies won - history is written by the winner - but that does not belong here ;)).
most Vichy territories were soon attacked and most switched sides when attacked
Indochine fell to the japanese in 1940 (before the attack on PH), but the French even fought (and lost) a war against Siam in 1940…
Syria was attacked by the Brits - put up a little fight and surrendered/threw in their lot with the Allies, but before Germany flew some planes to Iraq )stopover in Syria) to support Iraq against the Brits…
The African Colonies soon joined the Free french Forces (one Genral was marching fom West Africa through Tcahd to Egypt/Lybia IIRC)
no infos on the Indian Ocean posessions…
Morocco and Algeria were defended by vichy troops when the allies landed there - put up a little fight and surrendered, but this forced GErmany/Italy to ship troops to Tunesia -i believe at the same time Germny decided to get rid of Vichy and occupied it.
So the simplest rule for Vichy would be - put some troops in the territories - no build up - prevented by the treaty with Germany ;) - if one side decides to attack a Vichy territory the troops defend for ONE combat round and then the attacker gets the territory.
If France has a fleet at the time of the surrender Brit ships should be forced to attack them - with ALL adjacent units, but after one combat round the survivors join the Free french…
just my 2 cents
BTW - please stop the Froggy bashing :D
I feel the solution is very simple, Larry said that he was going to have pro-axis neutras in the game, so the rule should be that when paris is captured all the french forces should become a pro-axis neutral.
I thought that way too. My question (to myself) was what happens to the french units that are in Africa and other areas (I believe Larry said there would be French in Africa). Would they just be removed from the board.
Maybe that is the incentive for Germany to attack France full force rd#1. If Paris falls rd#1 remove all French ground units in Africa and those territories become pro axis neuts. If Paris doesn’t fall rd#1 the blue stays and fight on as Free French.
I feel the solution is very simple, Larry said that he was going to have pro-axis neutras in the game, so the rule should be that when paris is captured all the french forces should become a pro-axis neutral.
Perhaps “D6 French territories and the French units within become axis controled, replace them with german units” Territories are Chosen by the european axis players, if they can not agree the europea allies choose
I’m pretty sure what happens is that the French units/territories are all controlled by UK, even if France does fall. Though not historically accurate it makes things a lot simpler.
Try RISK, if you want simple games. Handing Vichy France over to the Allies doesn’t make sense.
@Brain:
Try RISK, if you want simple games. Handing Vichy France over to the Allies doesn’t make sense.
well said
@Brain:
Try RISK, if you want simple games. Handing Vichy France over to the Allies doesn’t make sense.
I was simply stating their mindset. I’m pretty certain what I said is already confirmed. Forgive me if I’m mistaken though.
@Brain:
Try RISK, if you want simple games. Handing Vichy France over to the Allies doesn’t make sense.
I was simply stating their mindset. I’m pretty certain what I said is already confirmed. Forgive me if I’m mistaken though.
No apology needed. I am just a little bothered by the rumors of how this Vichy France thing is going to be handled.
US player should control France and China….considering they wont be doing much else Turn 1-2.
US player should control France until they are defeated and then Germany should control France.
I’m pretty sure the UK ends up controlling France all game
France will be somebody’s puppet.
Yea, the US player will need something to do early in the game. Allowing him to control France would fill that void. I just hope he doesn’t get to used to getting his A$$ kicked.
