Europe

[Guest]

Sounds good. Can’t wait to see your IPC values

[Captain Beremir]

Yeah I’m excited to see how that turns out

[Guest]

I will be excited to see the real map some day as well

[oztea]

larry is keeping pretty tight lipped on this

[Captain Beremir]

A map that keeps getting better and better. I saw it posted over on Larry’s forums as well; hope he likes it as much as we do!

[cts17]

I thought that there would be 6 territories between Berlin and Moscow???

Also, I feel, as a Canadian, that Central Canada should be worth 3 IPC as well. I’m still really peeved with the introduction of ANZAC and Italy without the input of Canada. Ah well. Such is game balance.

[WILD BILL]

Oh my, you made Sweden worth more then Norway. You better change that before Adlertag sees it.

[oztea]

there were serious discussions about invading norway, by the axis, allies, and soviets. Making it worth 4 makes it a little more enticeing.

[WILD BILL]

Oz, I guess you meant Sweden instead of Norway.

I still don’t think Sweden will be worth more then Norway. They should both be 3, and Finland at 2.  I don’t see Larry changing to much from what he used in AA50.

I Know the iron ore in Sweden was a huge bonus to the axis, but they were handing it over to Germany anyway, so I don’t see why it should be worth so much. I could see it if they refused to trade with Hitler, but that wasn’t the case. Maybe tie all the Scandinavian countries to an NO or use convoy boxes to reflect the amount of trade that went on up there.

[maverick_76]

Yeah from what I have heard as well, the amount of territories you need to cross from Berlin to Moscow is around six. Sounds like a good number to me. Also I would love to see the Atlantic widened just enough to where you had to drop off troops in Britain before crossing the Channel over to Europe.

[oztea]

yea, my bad on the sweeden norway mixup

I dont know how best to reflect the scandinavian situation
Sweeden was “technicly” pro axis neutral….handed over what ammounts to IPCs (ore) and refused to join the allies.

Norway was a strange pickle in 1940, the UK invaded practacly, then the Soviets demanded they leave, and the Germans invaded…this was the point where a 3 sided war would have devoloped, Axis vs Allies vs Comintern…but France got mangled, the UK backed down because they needed the Soviets, and the Soviets never got there because…

THE FINNS, who were technicly an axis power unto themselves, if one had to categorize the “Axis” by major players…
1. Germany
2. Japan
3. Italy
4. Rumania
5. Finland
6. Hungary

So the Finnish territory should have some way of mobilizing new units, i have despised every axis and allies game to date for not reflecting the fact that Germany DID have many European allies, such as the Finns, who devisatated the Soviets in the Winter War. Finland should be roughly of the same value as the other scandinavian countries, but should start well defended, and with a minor factory or something.

I have always been a huge fan of “Victory Cities may produce 1 infantry during the mobilize units phase” Can you say Helsinki?

[Guest]

@WILD:

Oh my, you made Sweden worth more then Norway. You better change that before Adlertag sees it.

Yeah he might globe(smite) you.

Map looks great. I still think the German control markers should be swaztikas.

[xzorn]

Finland should have enough in it to stop a soviet invasion. Because that’s exactly what they did.

[FieldMarshalGames]

I would suggest that the LOW COUNTRIES should start as Neutral if this game starts in May 1940.    Also NORWAY should be a Neutral as at the time of the invasion of France.  The issue was not yet decided and the British/French were still engaging the Germans in Norway.

Your map is awesome but these few political tweaks are needed.

Thanks for your great work and post!

[oztea]

the swasticas i draw never turn out right….so i left in A&A style

[Guest]

That is probably more politically correct.

[idk_iam_swiss]

That and its illegal to sell or own ANYTHING with a swastika on it in parts of europe. (which is why you never see many german things on the box either)

[Guest]

@idk_iam_swiss:

That and its illegal to sell or own ANYTHING with a swastika on it in parts of europe. (which is why you never see many german things on the box either)

Thank goodness for freedom of speech and freedom of the press. I am glad I live in the U.S.

[WILD BILL]

@FieldMarshalGames:

I would suggest that the LOW COUNTRIES should start as Neutral if this game starts in May 1940.    Also NORWAY should be a Neutral as at the time of the invasion of France.  The issue was not yet decided and the British/French were still engaging the Germans in Norway.

From what I remember the game starts in the mist of the evacuation of Dunkirk (I’m thinking the first week of June). By this time Germany already had control of the low countries. The allies withdrew from Norway the end of May and it fell about 2 weeks later, so it to should be in the axis camp.

[Guest]

Has Larry mentioned the state of Norway at the start of the game?