Are We Forced to Place Units from the Production Chart?

[TheVeteran]

@hbg-gw-enthusiast that rule is about multi stage production units but that last sentence where it actually says that is a blanket statement and doesn’t seem like it fits where it’s written. The GHG pointed out rule seems to be the real answer. If you can’t place then it’s ok, but if you can then you must, also it seems to be a disadvantage to wait to place units.

[Trig]

@theveteran Not really. Until errattaed, that is perfectly, valid, and might I say, correct. GHG is not always right.
Also delaying production is sometimes very nice.

[Noneshallpass]

Rule 11.1 posted by GHG above is the general rule regarding placement of units : You place all your units except if the rules prevent you from doing so (generally production limits on Factory capacity).

Rule 7.3 is a specific rule for Multi-Stage production. You are not obligated to advance production every turn and even when you reach the last stage you are not obligated to place it.

This seems to be the way to conciliate both rules.

Otherwise the sentences “If you cannot place a unit for any reason it remains on the Production Chart until a later turn” (11.1) and “You may postpone the placement of units in the place units box if desired” (7.3) do contradict themselves.

[TheVeteran]

@noneshallpass I agree 100 percent

[TheVeteran]

@trig disagree, see none shall pass post.

[insaneHoshi]

@noneshallpass said in Are We Forced to Place Units from the Production Chart?:

Otherwise the sentences “If you cannot place a unit for any reason it remains on the Production Chart until a later turn” (11.1) and “You may postpone the placement of units in the place units box if desired” (7.3) do contradict themselves.

I think there might be two different concepts in place here. When you build an infantry, it doesn’t actually go on the place units box and thus must be placed. When you build a ship it does go on the place units box and can be delayed.

[HBG GW Enthusiast]

@insanehoshi said in Are We Forced to Place Units from the Production Chart?:

@noneshallpass said in Are We Forced to Place Units from the Production Chart?:

Otherwise the sentences “If you cannot place a unit for any reason it remains on the Production Chart until a later turn” (11.1) and “You may postpone the placement of units in the place units box if desired” (7.3) do contradict themselves.

I think there might be two different concepts in place here. When you build an infantry, it doesn’t actually go on the place units box and thus must be placed. When you build a ship it does go on the place units box and can be delayed.

Very helpful! I could have kept my submarine and destroyer in the place units box if I had desired.

[Trig]

@insanehoshi I would like to point out that any unit is placed in the place units box during the Production phase before being placed on the map. The “production coaster” used by many is technically against the rules. ;)
7.1 Building Units:
“Once units are payed for, they are placed on the production chart.”
All units follow the same process. The only difference is how long it takes.

As for the contradiction, I believe that there is none. The two sentences are not contradictory. Not being able to place a unit does not preclude choosing not to place a unit.
The actual basis of that interpretation lies in the first sentence in the section:
“Place all units that are in the place units box on the production chart on the map.” (Emphasis added)

I think one or the other must be correct. I usually incline to more options and player choice, but there is not good reason to chose either over the other.

[insaneHoshi]

Faq’d

Q: Are you able to buy units, and keep them in reserve on the “Place Units” box of the production chart, to be placed in later turns?

A: No, you must place them in the same turn if you’re able to.

[HBG GW Enthusiast]

@insanehoshi said in Are We Forced to Place Units from the Production Chart?:

Faq’d

Q: Are you able to buy units, and keep them in reserve on the “Place Units” box of the production chart, to be placed in later turns?

A: No, you must place them in the same turn if you’re able to.

Boom! Now we know. 8 )

[Noneshallpass]

@hbg-gw-enthusiast said in Are We Forced to Place Units from the Production Chart?:

@insanehoshi said in Are We Forced to Place Units from the Production Chart?:

Boom! Now we know. 8 )

And knowing is half the battle : G.I. Joe!

[HBG GW Enthusiast]

@noneshallpass said in Are We Forced to Place Units from the Production Chart?:

And knowing is half the battle : G.I. Joe!

OMG! Made me grin ear to ear!!!

[TheVeteran]

@hbg-gw-enthusiast uhh …. I feel We already knew / established this as pointed out by GHG and me and none shall pass prior to and without any FAQ. Also, I do believe GHG updates the FAQ so I would trust his word.

[Trig]

@theveteran No he doesn’t. That’s Morten, the guy actually in charge of the rules.

[TheVeteran]

@trig either way - they have a close relationship. AND i have seen on numerous occasions the FAQ/Errata get updated almost immediately after having a conversation with GHG