@Panther Thanks for the speedy answer… feels like a strategy that might make me unpopular but if it’s legitimate then I suppose it’s fair game.
After Action Reports
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Maybe the moderators can see to that?
Since I can already see this thread is getting out of hand (in a good way), I’m going to refrain from including everyone’s game summaries in the original post. We’ll have to wait for a better solution before we can work towards ordering everything. I’ll still keep track of games stats however.
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AxisOfEvil,
If the UK did a double IC in India/Austrlia or India/SA and built up a navy, at the same time, the US built up navy in hopes of combining their fleets before the japs could crush either. umm, it might work. But would it be more efficient then just killing italy first? i dont think so.
Yeah, probably not. Australia looks defensible since the Japanese fleet would be out of position, but it’s a heavy investment to build only two units a turn. Good try though. Thanks for the game report. We’ll see if this is the natural order of the game.
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@TG:
Also, I’ve been thinking: Do you guys prefer a specific way of organizing the After Action Reports?
I’m fine collecting them in the original post for now, but if it grows to be too big, people will have to scroll down a lot to get to the newer reviews they want to read.Or would you rather have one Review per post? That way the most current reviews are easiest to access. This does have the downside of not being sorted based on 1941 or 1942 scenarios.
Well, you just alluded to the solution, I think. Why don’t you just make 2 threads, one for 41’ and one for 42’. Once a general consensus on the final AAR layout has been reached here, you can make the 2 separate threads and ask the people who have already posted their AAR’s here to copy and delete them from here and move them to the appropriate new one.
I don’t think that scrolling to find the new stuff is the biggest problem. I think the biggest problem is that this thread has become diluted with the mixture of discussion, 41’ scenarios, and 42’ scenarios which makes it hard to find something specific that you may be looking for.
You could even leave this thread open as the discussion thread. That way the 2 dedicated AAR threads won’t be diluted with discussion.
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Good idea. :-D
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Title: Axis Revenge (2v2, my teammate and I lost the last game we played against these two opponents, one of them is his wife)
Date: 12-5-08 through 12-6-08
Special Rules: 1941 NO’s and Tech
Victor: Axis. We were playing for 15 VC’s but when we, the Axis, got to 14 and controlled everything except N. & S. America and UK, the allies conceeded.
Game Length: 8hrs, can’t remeber the number of turns.
Bias: It was a 2v2 and each team had a new and experienced player(the new players had played before but only once or twice). The Ger/It player (myself) may have had the most knowledge because I read these forums almost every day and the other 3 actually have a real life.
Description: Everybody was trying to get tech in a slow progressive way (buying 1 researcher/turn). Ger took Moscow after about 7 hrs then lost Berlin to the UK 1.5 turns later, Italy liberated it the same turn. The mechanized inf made it possible to make one last lunge at Moscow before the defensive purchases had to begin. Japan didn’t go after the US fleet at all on the first turn, this lead to a huge American fleet in the Pacific. The U.S. retreated to the Atlantic after Japan got 12 supersubs (this was just before Ger took Moscow and why Ger went into def. mode). Japan finally killed off China the turn after Russia went down and attempted a mad dash to support Ger, but they never got there. There were no specific “recognizable” strategies used, as we were letting the newer players discover their own strategies as opposed to giving them instructions (although, there were key situations when they were under orders)! The allies were using a lot of bombers and weren’t getting tech as fast as Axis. On one turn Ger had to repair 3 IC’s before I could place new units. Italy was a very small thorn in the side of Russia. Italy finally focused on Africa after Russia was killed. The Uk/Russian player was frustrated by the Italian fleet and tried sinking it twice but only got 1 of the Cruisers, and that was because it was alone.
Observations/Recommendations: The tech made the game for Germany. Mech inf, increased production, and heavy bombers. Japan got super subs but never fired a shot, and mech inf, but the game ended before they ever used the ability. America got Jet fighters and, unfortunately for them, radar. Uk got heavy bombers, but was only able to use 2 bombers in this role, and only once. Russia also had mech inf (my dice must roll lots of 6’s) but it wasn’t used much. Russia launched several infantry only attacks against Germany, maybe he should have held out longer before attacking, if he would have, this game would have been much longer.All-in-all we had a great time and we won’t be starting our next game at 9:00 in the evening. I didn’t get home until 5:30 in the morning. It was fun watching the new players getting the hang of it, and learning more about AA:50 myself.
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Title: First Time AA50 Disappointment (1941)
Date: Dec. 1 to Dec 5
Special Rules: NO, Tech
Victor: Draw agreed by both players due to boredom and disappointment
Game Length: 5th Rounds, we’ve been playing one round per day every evening.
Bias: 1 vs 1. Allied played a little bit more experienced.
Description:
Both players tried to play historically.
Allied decided that USA should stand up against Japan instead of pushing for a KGF or KIF. UK was left alone to push against Germany and Italy. USSR usual role: survive.
Axis: Japan focused on the Pacific. Germany made a couple of early mistakes like didn’t sink most of the British fleet.
Britain bought a Factory in India, which was a bad idea because Japan captured it on a very tied battle – I knew it was a bad idea, but I wanted to try.
Russia rolled for tech and got Increased Industrial Capacity. Japan got super-subs and Improved Navy Yards later on.
Japan become a giant monster by turn 3.
USA had to abandon the Pacific.
By end of round 5 Germans had taken Karelia. Western Allies had taken France (firmly), and were threatening Italy. Japan was controlling all Asia, and starting moving against USSR and Africa.
Then we call it a draw.
Observations/Recommendations:
National Objectives didn’t lead to a more historical game (which is supposed to be their goal). Instead of that, and after trying a couple of turns, Allies moved to KGF, and Japan turned against Moscow. Only they did was causing inflation and mass production for Japan. They’ve been a great disappointment.
Japan gets too strong too fast.
USSR is too weak. It needs at least a fighter. Maybe the ability of moving its factories.
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It seems like techs are having too much influence on the game. :|
In the original A&A tech rolls were rarely bought, it was equivalent to throwing money in a hole, and they never swung the outcome of the game (Exception: Heavy Bombers).
After reading these last few gaming reports and seeing how awesome tech can be (Japan unlocking Supersubs/Shipyards, Germany Increased Production/Mech Infantry, Allies Heavy Bombers), unlocking tech can render you or your opponent’s current strategy impotent. They swing the game.
Todd7912,
Sound like you had a lot of fun. A wild game with lots of momentum changes. Usually if you find yourself coming home at 5:30 that’s a good thing. :wink: -
We did have a great time.
As far as the US retreat from the pacific…they could have stood up to Japan, they had several dd, 2 or 3 cruisers, at least 2 bb, 1 cv, 2 ftr, plus 2 ftr and a bmb on hawaii, and more ftr in W US.(They never even considered a dd screen) At that point three things happened to cause US to run…1)Russia was about to get hit and Germany was sinking the UK fleet every time it got deployed (heavy bombers for Ger weren’t in play at this point), so the allies needed help. 2)The 12 super subs were the equivalent of a nuclear deterent. 3)The US players personal desire not to loose their fleet.
I agree that tech is powerful and comes into play more often than we would expect or maybe even want. I think part of the reason there was so much tech in our game was that it was a new way to do it and we all remember the wasted money spent in past games and we wanted to see some redemption. My guess is that tech will hopefully settle out and not be used as much. Maybe, maybe not. I know I won’t use as much with Germany again. I needed more land units. If the Soviet Union played more defensively I might still not be home yet…
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Title: Allied Domination (1941)
Date: Nov 25, 2008
Special Rules: NO & Tech
Victor: Allies with 13 VC
Game Length: 4 hours/ 4 or 5 rounds
Bias: 3 vs 3; Allies had 2 very experienced players with a first timer and axis had one experienced player as italy and two less capable players
Description: Japan was very poorly played, only attacking one chinese territory on T1 and attacking Hawaii on T1 (battle lost) and leaving 2 carriers with four planes and a destroyer and 2 trans of Hawaii coast, all of which were destroyed on USA T1. Britian got heavy bombers on T1 and Germany got Industrial Tech on T3. Germany took Karelia on T2, but Russia rolled lights out and only let Germany with 2 tanks on the whole eastern front. Italy was pretty much a non factor.
Axis never took Egypt, but Australia and India did fall on round 4 to Japan, but it was to little to late.Observation/Rec: This game was over after round 1 due to poor axis strategy and planning. Allies had some great dice rolling on T1 and T2 which made it more difficult for the axis. Japan got very big even after their terrible T1 moves and America focused all attention on Japan having 3 big naval battles with them (Japan won 2 of 3). We all liked the NOs and think the new way of Tech developement is the best method to date.
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1942 gets no love…
Cond1024,
Seeing as how the Axis had one experienced player and two newbies, wouldn’t it make more sense for the experienced player to take control of Germany (or at least Japan) instead of Italy? -
hey, i reported on a '42 game :-P
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Stickied the thread until we find out if there is a better way of doing this.
BTW, this is a great thread idea.
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Sweetness! Thanks Darth. :-D
+1 Homeboy
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Cond1024,
Seeing as how the Axis had one experienced player and two newbies, wouldn’t it make more sense for the experienced player to take control of Germany (or at least Japan) instead of Italy?Since it was a new game we decided to do a random draw for countries. The other two axis players weren’t newbies, they just aren’t as strategy minded as the Italian player was. We decided after this game to not do random draws anymore!!
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I think that Italy should always be played by some one who wants it or a newbie in AA world et some one not very experienced or played by germany……never draw from a randomly play
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@TG:
1942 gets no love…
Cond1024,
Seeing as how the Axis had one experienced player and two newbies, wouldn’t it make more sense for the experienced player to take control of Germany (or at least Japan) instead of Italy?I disagree. I think Italy is the critical component to the Axis. It will never take a capital but it’s job is to tie up as much Allied time and money as possible. The more it ties up the easier it will be for Germany and Japan to conquer Russia. And with Germany’s and Japan’s massive incomes there is built in leeway for purchasing and movement mistakes. The wrong move or purchase can instantly make Italy irrelevant so the experienced player would be my logical choice to play them.
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Game 1
Title: Axis Advance, 1941
Date: December 6, 2008
Special Rules: NOs and Tech were used. 13 VC victory.
Victor: Allies conceded with Axis at 11 VC and no sign of stopping
Game Length: 4 hours, about 4-5 rounds.
Bias: Played with strangers, but likely Axis.
Description: Germany smashed UK fleets and went for Caucasus. Italy went for Africa. Japan hit China and Pacific, taking Hawaii and destroying all US boats on J2. UK went for India IC, and US went full tilt against Japan, but the combination barely slowed the Japanese down as they had 2 mainland ICs to answer the Brits. Mech inf for Germany and Jet Fighters for Japan sealed the fate of the allies towards a conceded endgame.
Observations/Recommendations: US needs to preserve their remaining early fleet to seriously threaten Japan. Techs can really help the Axis if they get the right ones. UK really needs to consider the worth of an India IC if they want to take on Japan. Allies suffered from having no US help in Europe.
Link: http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=13010.0Game 2
Title: Terrified by tea lovers 1941
Date: December 6, 2008
Special Rules: NOs and Tech were used. 13 VC victory.
Victor: Axis Victory by Concession after Moscow capture
Game Length: 7-8 hours, about 8 rounds
Bias: Slight Axis, but closer than last game.
Description:
Germany and Italy cooperated against Russia. Germans took Karelia G2. Japan went north against Russia as well, breaking through Russia, China, and India around J6. US went full tilt against Japan and lost fleets. Russia tried desperately to hold out. UK took France frequently but was forced back despite a large income due to losing fleets to the Germans. The game took a huge turn when UK developed Heavy Bombers. Axis suddenly engaged in a hell-for-leather dash for Moscow before HBs ruined Europe and captured Germany. Desperate counter-thrusts from Russia and UK (sacrificing bombers) held off the Axis for some time, but in the end a final, desperate assault with the last Axis units in Asia brought Moscow down.
Observations/Recommendations:
This game made me love technologies, because the development of Heavy Bombers turned what was becoming a clear allied loss into a huge, manic dash of a game, with no clear winner right up until the end. I think I will have some trouble ever topping the fun I had at this particular game, but then again it’s only the second one I’ve played, so I hope I’m not speaking too soon.
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Gotta love Bombers in this game. :mrgreen: (We need a smiley with Aviator Goggles)
Comassion,
Do you think the Allies should adopt a full on Kill Germany First Strategy, since America focusing her efforts on Japan clearly isn’t working?
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I haven’t seen a full KGF (or KIF) myself, so I don’t know how well it would work.
I do think that the US needs to do something to distract the Japanese fleet. Even though the US in both our games lost their fleet to the Japanese, it didn’t have to happen that way if the players had been more careful with their units, and both times it did significantly slow down Japanese expansion in Asia, especially around India, where the fleet would have been otherwise. That said, their absence from Europe was sorely missed - I think the US needs to do something in both theaters, contesting the Pacific enough to keep the Japanese from having free reign and posing a threat to Japanese pacific NO holdings (not to mention trying to acquire American NOs), while still sending troops off to Europe and Africa to help out there.
Next time I play I’ll try to be the US and see how well a balancing act works.
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I dont see anyway the US can do anything of significance in the pacific in the 41 version. Maybe simply make japan keep her fleet closer to home in fear of a sucker punch, but thats about it. The US would be much more efficient in destoying italy first.
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