@M36:
Virtually every job offers vacation. We do not need Uncle Sam to make laws telling us to do something if we are already doing it.
From the report, “90% of full-time jobs in the US have paid vacation”. That means 10% don’t. That’s hardly virtually every job.
But hey, if it doesn’t bother you guys (the citizens) then why change it? I know it would bother me. I know that EVERYONE that I work with looks forward to their vacation and holidays each year, and there would be hell to pay if anyone ever hinted that they would lose even one day of those.
I guess we’re just lazy.
yes. america became the greatest nation because you could acheive anything you worked hard for.
thats why we are #1 8-)
@ncscswitch:
I get 6 weeks off per year (10 paid holidays, 5 sick days, 15 vacation days… 30 work days is 6 work weeks off).
How come you count sick days as your time off? Do you take 5 sick days every year?
some jobs give an amount of sick days per year. after you have used those up, dont get sick.
this is a good idea, b/c employees will always use the sick card to go do something fun for a day. you cant have employees doing that all the time. its bad for business, and then the employees get fired. this isnt france, where the employee can do nothing for a month and still not get fired. this is rational america, where we decided that you dont get any rewards/benefit from doing nothing.
@ncscswitch:
I get 6 weeks off per year (10 paid holidays, 5 sick days, 15 vacation days… 30 work days is 6 work weeks off).
How come you count sick days as your time off? Do you take 5 sick days every year?
That is what I have AVAILABLE.
You will note I said “take my VACATION” and “Try to not get sick”
Do you believe US citizens work hard enough to deserve vacation? Because your government doesn’t.
This is the problem with you Canucks/Euros – you think prosperity is something that can be legislated. Have you noticed that US unemployment is around 4.4% whereas France has been stuck above 9% for over ten years? Can you say EXCESSIVE GOVERNMENT REGULATION, anyone?
Generally, the government just makes problems bigger. Like President Reagan said, if a problem cant be solved, enlarge it.
this is a good idea, b/c employees will always use the sick card to go do something fun for a day.
Maybe this wouldn’t happen if they were given a reasonable amount of vacation time? We have sick days at my work too, but there is no set number that each employee is allowed to take. The managers and supervisors monitor it and if it looks like any employee is abusing the system those situations are addressed on an individual basis. I asked Switch about that because I would never include my sick days in the same list as my vacation & holidays. They are for a different purpose entirely.
I look at legislating vacation the same way I look at legislating minimum wage. Please tell me the US has a minimum wage?
@M36:
Generally, the government just makes problems bigger. Like President Reagan said, if a problem cant be solved, enlarge it.
Alzheimer’s is a hell of a disease…
Please tell me the US has a minimum wage?
yes it does a lowly $5 something an hour is fedaeral(like 5 and alf dollars canadian) but most states raise it in thier state, i’m pretty sure Conneticut is $7 something and they want ot raise it agian. but there are a few states that keep it at the bare minnimal( like georgia). I personally think minnimal wage shoud only be for full time employment and not part time.
Minimum wage in Connecticut is $7.55 an hour. You don’t find many jobs that actually pay that though, most employers pay at least eight.
Please inform me why a minimum wage is necessary again?
I’ll quote Jeff who posted this on another site:
In our blather about the minimum wage on both sides of the debate, shouldn’t we at least think about why there is a minimum in the first place?
As I recall, and I am not old ehought o have been there, the minimum was established by FDR as a means to guarantee the American worker an honest days pay for an honest days work. At that time, the Depression, many employers exploited their employees by making them work extremely long hours and shorting them pay. The migrants in California come to mind, along with many immigrant meatpackers in the city of Chicago.
This debate hinges on your view of the world today. Is it like 1933, or has it fundementally changed?
http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2006/12/modern_labor_ec.html
I’ll quote Jeff who posted this on another site:
In our blather about the minimum wage on both sides of the debate, shouldn’t we at least think about why there is a minimum in the first place?
As I recall, and I am not old ehought o have been there, the minimum was established by FDR as a means to guarantee the American worker an honest days pay for an honest days work. At that time, the Depression, many employers exploited their employees by making them work extremely long hours and shorting them pay. The migrants in California come to mind, along with many immigrant meatpackers in the city of Chicago.
This debate hinges on your view of the world today. Is it like 1933, or has it fundementally changed?
http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2006/12/modern_labor_ec.html
then why do people get paid the bare minnimal wage if we don’t need one?
in nebraska the wage is 5.15 thats low :cry:
but kids 14-17 dont need to be daddy money bucks at that age. they’ll use it on their mobile fornication vehicle, drugs, and booze. some food in there from time to time.
@M36:
Minimum wage in Connecticut is $7.55 an hour. You don’t find many jobs that actually pay that though, most employers pay at least eight.
Please inform me why a minimum wage is necessary again?
because without it than come a day when there is a glut of workers, then the US Army can offer peanuts and still be considered the most competative outfit out there for people who couldn’t/didn’t attend a college/university.
Federal minimum wage is currently $5.15 - it’s set to raise to $7.25 within a couple of years. This is good, considering it sat at $5.15 for some time.
Any state can obviously elect to have a higher minimum wage, but it can’t go below the federal standard.
Unfortunately, the minimum wage is still below a livable wage. People making this (and they aren’t just kids) little can’t afford many of the things necessary for themselves and families besides the basic food, clothing, housing…
It takes a heck of a lot of bad choices in life such that an adult would be orking for minimum wage; or for anyone to work for minimum wage for more than 3-6 months.
No job skills of merit, poor work ethic, lack of education… it pretty much takes ALL of those for an adult to be working for minimum wage.
@ncscswitch:
It takes a heck of a lot of bad choices in life such that an adult would be orking for minimum wage; or for anyone to work for minimum wage for more than 3-6 months.
No job skills of merit, poor work ethic, lack of education… it pretty much takes ALL of those for an adult to be working for minimum wage.
I disagree.
Much of it can be circumstantial.
Such as?
I will grant ONE excuse:
catastrophic physical injury/deformity caused by birth defect or accident over which the victim had no control.
Can you name any others? (beware, I am merciless when I start pointing out the bad choices in this type of discussion)
@ncscswitch:
Such as?
I will grant ONE excuse:
catastrophic physical injury/deformity caused by birth defect or accident over which the victim had no control.Can you name any others? (beware, I am merciless when I start pointing out the bad choices in this type of discussion)
mental disorders and shitty parenting.
I was lucky - i had good parents who didn’t mind being “the bad guy”. They made me do things i didn’t really feel like doing - like study instead of all-night-drinking-parties. They made me work to earn my own money for university etc. They spanked and praised me when i deserved it. They didn’t raise me while drunk, stealling stuff, or beating each other up. They didn’t let me do whatever i wanted. They didn’t drink/do cocaine when i was in utero (much). The called me on my bullshit.
I don’t often agree w/ BL, but he does have a point. A lot of parents raise their kids really really poorly, so these kids have a false-sense-of-entitlement, or they have no work-ethic, or they are psycho/sociopaths, or they have a mental illness/personality disorder. I know that often people can rise above this, and it kind of excites me to see it. But certain learned behaviours are “impossible” to unlearn and it is difficult to learn something that counteracts their previous learning which has become intuitive/instinctual/innate.
It’s not always a great excuse, but it is an important reason.
