Rule Question

@P@nther:

@steve400:

So in my scenario the defending sub can submerge and avoid taking the hit ???

No. The decision to submerge is made in the “Press Attack or Retreat Step”.
This is before rolling the dice again.

Ah! Enlightenment. Many thanks  :-)

Got ya Krieghund, thanks.

Great.  thank you !!

There are numerous errors in the rule book that comes with the game.  You may want to check out Larry Harris Tournament Rules (which are available from a link on the main page of this website).

The only “opening fire” that repeats after the first round of combat is Submarine Sneak Attack.

BB Shore Bombardment and AA fire are limited to only opening fire of the first round of combat.

I agree, there’s not a lot of times you’d want to do that.  But I could see it in rare circumstances.  Usually transports, even unloaded ones (who leaves loaded transports out where they can be shot at?)

More fun is when someone forgets in AAR a submarine does not block enemy submarines and you sail under, sink his three aircraft carriers, submerge with your surviving submarines and watch his 6 fighters go sploosh in the Pacific Ocean.  It was a beautiful day.  He could have recovered easily, but the moral hit alone caused him to concede the game.  The best part is, submarines can’t shoot aircraft, so he HAD to take the carriers as casualties!

How often does that occur?  Like almost never!  Same with having a need to send fighters out to kill something and feinting at enemy ships to make the move “legal” even if you have no intention of ever recovering those fighters!

I made two new rules to that can help change strategy and make the game more historically accurate.  They are air transports/paradrops.  You need bombers for this.  For air transports, you can carry anything you can on a transport on a bomber and land it in another friendly territory where it drops off all units in the air transport, but aa rules apply if you fly over an enemy aa gun.  Also, once the bomber lands it stays in that territory for the rest of the turn.  In paradrops, you take a bomber and use it to transport 1 or 2 infantry to either an enemy or friendly territory and then fly it back to a friendly territory.  Again, aa rules apply.  Also, when paradroping into enemy territory the bomber can’t be used both to paradrop and bomb, you either send in two troops or use it to bomb, not both.  Also, if an aa shoots down a bomber with units on it, the bomber as well as the units are lost, and if attacking an enemy territory with an aa gun with paratroopers, the aa gun fires at the bomber before the paratroopers are drooped.  One more thing is that you cannot use bombers used in an attack, airdrop, or bombing raid during the combat phase as an air transport or to paradrop into friendly territory in the noncombat phase.
  Another new rule I made is neutral armies and territory value.  With this, you give neutral territories armies and value so that it becomes legal to take these territories, but you have to fight a neutral army first.  Also, as soon as you attack a neutral territory, the territory and troops in that territory are turned over to one of your enemy nations until you take it over.

@ShadowHAwk:

Can i agree with the fact that in the current rules the carrier does NOT have to move if the fighter was destroyed, but at the same time not agree with the rules itself ?

Because it is not logical that the carrier does not start its move to meet up with the figher at the same time since it it start after the figher completed its move in a normal situation it would not be there on time to catch the aircraft.

Basicaly the time it takes for the carrier to get there is the same as the time it takes for the fighter to get there and since the carrier needs to be there at the same time in order for the pilot to remain dry it logical should start sailing in the general direction of the pickup point.

Since the Fighter in question could be “flying” from Gibraltar to the Caucus in one turn, I don’t think the model of aircraft taking off and landing as part of a days flight operations on a Carrier quite applies.  Especially since Naval aircraft are built very differently from land based aircraft yet the game makes no difference between the two.