@EmuGod:
No one said anything abut more rights or superiority, F_alk. I posted this to FinsterniS (I think that’s how you spell his name) and tried to explain how the term may seem racist but its implications are not.
Well, your throw around the accusation of others being racist (anti semite in this case) pretty fast! That was the point i was critizing. If you call someone antisemite without thinking double…… well, then i can call you racist without thinking twice as well!
If you go against another religion, you are racist. There is a special word, anti-semitism, to describe hatred against Jews. …
I know, nice explanation for the others, but no need to do it a third time :)
What is horrible about inter-marriage is that it ends the religion. When two people from different backgrounds get married and want to raise a child, who’s religion and culture do they follow? Many try to let the child choose for himself/herself, but that is not possible because children are not able to make such decisions until they reach adulthood. See my point? It is very hard to keep a religion/culture (I’m assuming that both the parents really love their culture/religion and want the child to have it) when the two cultures/religions are so different. In most cases, the child loses both cultures. In the case of Judaism, this will most likely diminish the number of Jews in the world. Remember, Jews make up 0.25% of the world’s population. 15 million out of 6 billion if you want to confirm the math.
Why not teach the kid both traditions, abnd let it choose? You will have a tolerant follower of one of those tradtions, and that of its freew ill and not because it was fed with dogma after dogma from birth on.
Plus: the three book-keeping religions are not too different, compared to other religions that have existed and stil exist. An Intermarriage here should not at all be a problem, and most of the time the trouble comes from a muslim woman involved (which are not allowed by their religion to marry someone of another faith) …. christians are “by law” pretty free to marry whoever they want, but as CC said, maybe “feel” like not doing it… and i recall that jews are not allowed to marry non-jews, is that right?
Plus: the number of followers of Zeus, Thor and the tooth fairy :) have diminished as well over the time… i know that you will fight against that trend, but well, it’s only natural for religions to die out. Som for me, that argument makes your point understandable for you, but i can’t see the “global” importance.
…They were Christians or Atheists and did not understand why they were being called Jews until they realized it was because of some parent or grandparent. Assimilation is good to a point. Once you start losing your tradition and culture you are a very easy target for racism, because you don’t even know WHY you are being targetted. You don’t have a difinitive place to go to in order t osave yourself.
To the first: i think they understood why they were called jews half an hour the latest after they have been first called it….
And for losing your tradition: I disagree with your point of view. If you try not to be part of the society… you said:
Many people do not like people who are not like them because they are scared of wwhat they do not know.
That of course happens much more, when you are not assimilated, and people can see that you are different every day on the streets.
The whole concept of the “Chosen People” has nothing to do with the people’s blood or anything, like Hitler thought it was with his “aryan race”. It’s something more spiritual and I can recommend lots of readings for you if you want to learn exactly what it means. … People sometimes decide to convert to Judaism, and if they are committed and really want to, they can convert to the religion. It’s a long 3-year process, but those who want to go through it are fully accepted.
But they can’t immigrate to Israel before that three years, right?
And when did that interpretation from chosen people blood<->spiritual change? You can’t tell me it was like that since the foundation of the jewsih faith, so it must have changed…. when and why?
Plus: if this is a spiritual thing, why is the promised land not spiritual? where does the justification for taking control there come from?
Are we talking about Eastern Europe or Western Europe now? In Eastern Europe the Jews were forced into ghettos and were merely tolerated in the Pale of Settlement. In Western Europe, the Jews were given full rights and citizenship and many assimilated into the culture to the point where they lost their religion. …
We are talking about times/dates. Have a look at spain during the reconquista etc. the ghettos were everywhere, and especially when jews were in a christian society and didn’t (were not allowed to) assimilate. The spanish jews all moved to the same ottoman city …. they chose to build that ghetto!
The full rights in western europe… well, they came in the 19th century! I was talking about the 1000 years before that (roughly).
Part of Judaism is tolerance for other religions. …
In fact, F_alk, many of your arguements were based on Christian beliefs rather than Jewish beliefs. There are some very big differences between the two religions, and you struck the Christian (I’m talking old Christian before the Holocaust) beliefs.
Of course they are more christian than jewish: i grew up in a christian-based society. But i wonder which of my arguments where “old christian” and which were not…
The same argument goes for your stance on Israel/Palestine: your arguments are israel/jewish-based rather than palestine/muslim beliefs. There are some very big difference between the two religions, and you struck the jewish beliefs… hmmm, i hope that makes you thinking a bit…
And it must hurt CC and YB to hear someone call me christian :lol: