UK conquered in R2

LimitidHole-

There are a couple of things I think you are overlooking which should apply to any ruleset even your house rules.  First, in A+A defense is much stronger than offense so for this reason an offensive campaign has a much higher level to reach to be feasible.  Secondly, the game as is was not unbalanced because of some minor rule or procedural incontigruities but because of a severe material shortcoming for the Axis in terms of force on the ground at the start of the game.  The Allies can too easily remove too much too early so that no matter what rule changes you want to affect it isn’t going to solve this.  Thirdly, transporting troops is effective because it is possible for the Allies to use Russian space that is put their troops into Karelia to help defend there.  Some house rules don’t allow this but even so this doesn’t deter a “shucking” strategy of men from the US and Uk to Europe.  Instead the focus will shift from Karelia to WEuro, a little less ideal but certainly still workable.  Ultimately, the Axis as the protagonist cannot afford to spend many ipcs on innanimate objects like transports or factories, both do nothing but produce real units so unless there is a dire need for this as in the case of Japan it is best to avoid doing so as is the case for Germany.

The problem with an IC in India is that when Japan takes it, they can produce all that much more on the mainland.

Besides, I like to use the Indian forces to reinforce China. Japan has to either attack it, or go around and take that much longer to get to Moscow.

And, should Yakut SSR fall, Russian forces can move to Even and China forces can move to Novo creating a second wall. (Make sure to move US forces first, obviously, so that UK and Russian forces can move before Japan can attack.)

Pretty much the only time that I’ve ever seen the U.S. be conquered in a real game, not a game when I was just playing against myself, is when Germany conquered Britain on there first move and then sent about 6 fighters and one bomber (or something like that) over to the U.S., winning the game pretty easily.

First of all,

Germany (90% of the time) does have the bb and a trn and/or a sub in the WMEDSZ after G1. Also, the UK in EMEDSZ is dead or if it survived the 1st round – submerged or withdrawn to the REDSZ. More than likely, all RUS and UK ships will be eliminated on G1 (including the trn in ECASZ).

In order for UK to take out the GER bb and the GER sub and/or trn with it’s airforce on UK1, all planes would have to land in Gibraltar. Thus, no UK fighters in KAR and at least one of the fighters will die (if not both). No way a smart UK player would sacrifice it’s airforce on UK1.

So, by waiting until UK2 to buy ships … this puts you in the same perdicament as the UK1 IC in ECA = no usuable UK navy until UK3.

To me … it’s better to have UK buying nothing but trn – let the US build the ac on US1 or US2. The US has more income anyways.

Anyhow … this IC in ECA was just a tool to spark some conversations – and it did exactly what I hoped it would.

But have you rhought out what you would do as Germany or Japan to counter this move?
Any ideas?

Keep thinking! New ideas keep a lotta new players and regulars who get in a rut guessing! :)

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But what are the Allies to do in the Atlantic? USA lacks the distance to make it particularly damaging to Germany’s Western Front.

when this happens it usually means that karelia is a bloody mess. I agree with the purchase of an arcraft carrer and one plane. the us needs it’s resources to stop japan from insuring axis victory over russia, so - depending on how things go in karelia you can either take western europe, spain, or land forces in gibralter… or as i have found right in the midst of a forward air field in eastern europe or finland. sometimes if the germans are in bad enough shape i’ve even been able to help russia recover karelia. but these are basically spoilling attacks. designed to divert forces away from russia. with the aircraft carrier in place germany can’t afford to attack your fleet. so you are not stuck on your island, and any trasport fleet you build for a real invasion will be safe. challenge my opinion at danwatkins01@yahoo.com but come prepared!