Poll: How "Conservative" am I?

@cystic:

@FinsterniS:

Yes but this is not always that simple… Horten is for Abortion and i am against (with some rare exeption), but Horten is conversative/capitalist and i am liberal/social-democrat…

maybe i missed this under the “abortion thread” - but would you tell me why you are against? Curiously, of course - no desire to debate (you likely know/can guess my stance).

I believe life start at the conception (or shortly after). And it is the duty of the parent to guide this life, not to end it… But my philosophy can only apply to a country with a strong governement, capable of making social program to help pregnant womans.

@FinsterniS:

@cystic:

@FinsterniS:

Yes but this is not always that simple… Horten is for Abortion and i am against (with some rare exeption), but Horten is conversative/capitalist and i am liberal/social-democrat…

maybe i missed this under the “abortion thread” - but would you tell me why you are against? Curiously, of course - no desire to debate (you likely know/can guess my stance).

I believe life start at the conception (or shortly after). And it is the duty of the parent to guide this life, not to end it… But my philosophy can only apply to a country with a strong governement, capable of making social program to help pregnant womans.

agreed.
boy that’s weird.

When in doubt, join the CCC!- T_6
The Corporate Conservationist Cabal

As if! Those Corporate Fat Cats will never get to me! :wink:\

pro guns…very pro
pro abortion
pro euthanasia
pro harsh (relatively) punishment of arrested illegal immigrants
pro true campaign finance reform bills
pro israel until oil is no longer needed
pro environment besides arctic drilling

Against firearm, very against…
Against Abortion
Against capital punishment
Pro euthanasia in some case
Against harsh punishment in any case (it has been proven innefective)
Pro environment even if it damage a little short term economy

were are close from an exact opposite… :)

@FinsterniS:

pro guns…very pro
pro abortion
pro euthanasia
pro harsh (relatively) punishment of arrested illegal immigrants
pro true campaign finance reform bills
pro israel until oil is no longer needed
pro environment besides arctic drilling

Against firearm, very against…
Against Abortion
Against capital punishment
Pro euthanasia in some case
Against harsh punishment in any case (it has been proven innefective)
Pro environment even if it damage a little short term economy

were are close from an exact opposite… :)

even more stunningly, i am apparently in FinsterniS’ camp in all regards save for euthanasia (note: This does not mean against “pulling the plug” so much as against giving KCl injections to end a life)

hmmm… very disturbing…

anyway why not giving “KCl injections to end a life”, you may have a good argument i don’t know… I am just for the idea that some person suffer so much that they should be able to choose Death if there is no hope… some are just suffering, suffering, waiting for death…

@FinsterniS:

hmmm… very disturbing…

anyway why not giving “KCl injections to end a life”, you may have a good argument i don’t know… I am just for the idea that some person suffer so much that they should be able to choose Death if there is no hope… some are just suffering, suffering, waiting for death…

This has been discussed in ethics groups ad nauseum, and the bottom line (the best i can come up with today) is that i feel that it’s wrong. After taking all the arguments, weighing them out etc. i might be able to convince my brain that euthanasia is right/appropriate, but right now (not having had very much experience with people in considerable pain) i really can not stomach the idea of killing another person.
This is why i’ve said in other posts that we need more effective palliation methods, rather than euthanizing methods.

@TG:

When in doubt, join the CCC!- T_6
The Corporate Conservationist Cabal

As if! Those Corporate Fat Cats will never get to me! :wink:\

You DON’T GET IT! Sierra Club, GreenPeace and others (millions of dollars raked in, beautiful offices in skyscrapers/expensive buildings, big salaries for the executives, expensive fundraisers, idiots who donate their money[$10 to $100,00] without knowing where it goes, idiot liberal volunteers who sabotage logging equipment and industrial facilities, putting working people( who are also moms and dads)at risk.
That’s the CCC.
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“Where if your enemy fights with intensity he will survive but if not he will perish, it is called ‘fatal terrain.’ On fatal terrain always engage in battle.” - Sun-tzu, The Art of War

What are you talking about, “I don’t get it!?” I know exactly what you’re talking about. What I can say is that any “non-profit organization” probably has a good deal of “shady buisness.” Just look at the crackdown on Union and Labor leaders. It’s all a part of the vicitcrats to seize power at the price of others -terrible :evil:.

Okay,
one issue alone does not make one a liberal or a conservati

ISSUES - are not nation specific
Put your Y_ or N_ to the left of the issue

A) National defense
B) Green space(parks and preserves)
C) Medicare
D) National college program
E) Research new environmentally friendly energy sources
F) Graduated tax structure(poor-0%, middle-20%, upper-40%, rich-70%ish)
G) Allow the UN to tax, judge and jail citizens
H) Permanent firearm registration
I) 12 month paid leave from work for birth of a child, spouse, or parent
J) Jordan’s(nation)right to exist(1947-gift-sherriff of Mecca-Saudi Arabia
K) Legalize marijuana
L) Set cost controls on public utilities
M) Affirmative action
N) Open borders
O) Medicaid
P) National ID for all citizens, immigrants and foreigners.
Q) Campaign finance reform
R) National health care
S) Plan urban growth
T) Enforce extant laws (legislature not to pass redundant laws)
U) Children’s rights
V) Raise the national minimum wage
W) One national langauge
X) Literacy program to raise the national average to 12th grade
Y) Eliminate racial profiling
Z) Rehabilitate criminals
a) Social Security
b) Fight terrorism
c) Eliminate tarriffs
d) National preschool and afterschool programs
e) Reproductive rights for women
f) Recognize the Republic of China as a sovereign nation
g) Limit all elected national legislators to one term(exceptions - Chrmn., Pr. Min., Pres., Premier-two terms)
h) Legalize suicide/euthanasia
i) Flat tax
j) Pay victim reparations
k) National legal care
l) School voucher program
m) Prayer in schools
n) Exclusive groups and right to use facilitiesallowed(Women’s colleges, Boy Scouts, Black Panthers, etc.)
o)(PLEASE, ADD OTHERS)

Well, wacha say? Fer 'um, r agin 'um? Any you want to add? When we runs outa letters we can go to #s.

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“If a man is not liberal when young he has no heart; if not conservative when he is older he has no brain.”- Some Famous Guy

Ha, not another one of these “choose your political affiliation” addendums! :) Come on Xi, you know better than that.

@yourbuttocks:

Conservatives support Israel. Liberals support Palestine. Notice how conservative Horten supported Israel against liberal Yanny?

um now i dont know what u guys consider me but i think im extremly conservitave in some points yet, im Anti Israel and slightly pro Palestine so that commet could be false ;)

@TG:

Ha, not another one of these “choose your political affiliation” addendums! :) Come on Xi, you know better than that.

You are CLOSE, T_6,

I KNOW BEST! MUHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAA!
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:P :evil: De Debil maded mi doo dat! - Xi

Come on, CHICKENS!

D_E_S,

Why R U agin poor lil ol’ Israel? (You mean ol’ coyote, you!)
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“Exterminate! Exterminate!” - Name the character(?) and the classic show.

A) National defense Yes
B) Green space(parks and preserves) Yes
C) Medicare No
D) National college program No
E) Research new environmentally friendly energy sources Yes
F) Graduated tax structure(poor-0%, middle-20%, upper-40%, rich-70%ish) No
G) Allow the UN to tax, judge and jail citizens No
H) Permanent firearm registration No
I) 12 month paid leave from work for birth of a child, spouse, or parent No
J) Jordan’s(nation)right to exist(1947-gift-sherriff of Mecca-Saudi Arabia Maybe
K) Legalize marijuana NO!
L) Set cost controls on public utilities Yes
M) Affirmative action No
N) Open borders NO!
O) Medicaid No
P) National ID for all citizens, immigrants and foreigners. Maybe
Q) Campaign finance reform Yes
R) National health care NO!
S) Plan urban growth ?
T) Enforce extant laws (legislature not to pass redundant laws) Yes
U) Children’s rights Yes
V) Raise the national minimum wage Not neccessarily
W) One national langauge Yes (as long as it’s English :wink:)
X) Literacy program to raise the national average to 12th grade Yes
Y) Eliminate racial profiling Yes
Z) Rehabilitate criminals Yes
a) Social Security Yes
b) Fight terrorism Yes
c) Eliminate tarriffs No
d) National preschool and afterschool programs No
e) Reproductive rights for women ?
f) Recognize the Republic of China as a sovereign nation Maybe
g) Limit all elected national legislators to one term(exceptions - Chrmn., Pr. Min., Pres., Premier-two terms) No
h) Legalize suicide/euthanasia No
i) Flat tax Maybe (Income tax?)
j) Pay victim reparations No
k) National legal care No
l) School voucher program Maybe
m) Prayer in schools Yes
n) Exclusive groups and right to use facilities allowed(Women’s colleges, Boy Scouts, Black Panthers, etc.) No

Horton, your one of the “rightist” people i have ever known.
i barly agree with a single word you type.
your a capitilst pig and a conservitive ass.
i hate the way you presive the world and the way you think it should be run.

But i do think the world will allways need people with your kind of opinions.

your a capitilst pig and a conservitive ass.

Watch it, pal! No name calling. :evil:
What use is making fun of someone who’s not even around to read it?

i hate the way you presive the world and the way you think it should be run.
But i do think the world will allways need people with your kind of opinions.

There always be liberals and conservatives – there’s no way around it.

sorry i was not aware that he was not around. where did he go?

I dunno, but he’s been gone for at least the past three weeks.

Xi’s views -

A) National defense Yes
B) Green space(parks and preserves) NO, when taken from private citizens(eminent domain), but ‘yes’ when donated.
C) Medicare No,we need to care for ourselves and our children. Not expect others to do so.
D) National college program No
E) Research new environmentally friendly energy sources NOPrivate industry does it more efficiently, andwill doo it when we are within 30 years of running out of oil or coal.
F) Graduated tax structure(poor-0%, middle-20%, upper-40%, rich-70%ish) No
G) Allow the UN to tax, judge and jail citizens NO, NO, NO!
H) Permanent firearm registration No
I) 12 month paid leave from work for birth of a child, spouse, or parent No
J) Jordan’s(nation)right to exist(1947-gift-sherriff of Mecca-Saudi Arabia Maybe
K) Legalize marijuana NO!
L) Set cost controls on public utilities NO, because the prices they pay for services/goods cannot be limited(California is a great example of this.
M) Affirmative action No
N) Open borders NO!
O) Medicaid No, see Medicare[C above]
P) National ID for all citizens, immigrants and foreigners.NO, the Social Security # used in the US was, originally, only to be used for SS payments, but we use it for everything now, an invasion of privacy.
Q) Campaign finance reform NO, every time they try it the lawyers find a way around it. Remember, lawyers wrote the laws :D
R) National health care NO!
S) Planned urban growth No, big gov’t. telling lil gov’t and individuals exactly what you can build(or not) and where(or not).
T) Enforce extant laws (legislature not to pass redundant laws) YES
U) Children’s rights LIMITED, liberals want kids to be able to choose pierced ears, birth control, abortion, education, separation from parents, etc. at an early age.
V) Raise the national minimum wage NO, the New England states have a higher minimum wage and it is killing small businesses/starting employment so they want the rest of the US to raise theirs. Almost all unions have their wages tied to the minimum wage . . . their wages will go up the % taht the minimum wage increases.
W) One national langauge Yes, English.
X) Literacy program to raise the national average to 12th grade Yes
Y) Eliminate racial profiling NO, If a white man commits a crime, I want the police to be able to look for a suspicious white man. :wink:
Z) Rehabilitate criminals LIMITED, split them into groups(e.g., young rehabilitatable, old non rehabilitatable{split this group into crime specialties to limit crosstraining). :P Just an idea.
a) Social Security yes, but PRIVATIZE it, allowing 1% increase per year(possible decreases/additional increases of 1/2% per year, not to go below 1/2% in future) of that which is already withheld, and NO LIMIT on deposits of other earnings.
b) Fight terrorism Yes
c) Eliminate tarriffs YES,(e.g.) the US steel industry will remain weak if tarriffs continue. The US steel industry asked the Bush43 administration to pay the retirement of 600,000 steelworkers[that’s your $ they’re taking].
d) National preschool and afterschool programs No
e) Reproductive rights for women NO, read it ABORTION and free contraceptives.
f) Recognize the Republic of China as a sovereign nation Maybe
g) Limit all elected national legislators to one term(exceptions - Chrmn., Pr. Min., Pres., Premier-two terms) Yes, the founding fathers intended turnover in the legislature for new ideas(not lifetime politicians, but for them to earn a living in the private sector).
h) Legalize suicide/euthanasia No
i) Flat Income tax YES, to encourage people to work harder/earn more and keep more/the same percentage.
j) Pay victim reparations No
k) National legal care No
l) School voucher program ABSOfrickenLUTELY, to shake up the entrenched education system. Many inner city blacks/African-americans see vouchers as a way out of the morass of the inner city schools.
m) Prayer in schools Yes
n) Exclusive groups and right to use public facilities allowed(Women’s colleges, Boy Scouts, Black Panthers, etc.) YES, private colleges and BSA are good. Those with bad intentions(e.g., KKK or Nazis will always be with us. Why not have them where we can keep an eye on them?
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I am not omniscient, omnipresent, nor omnipotent, but I am damn close to it! - Xi