Sub v. sub combat clarification

Destroyers delay the removal of sub casualties, allowing them to fire back in their normal step even if they are hit by a sub.  However, both attacking and defending subs always fire in the Opening Fire step, so a defending sub will return fire even if it is hit, regardless of the presence of destroyers.  This is because fire within a step is simultaneous.  In effect, the presence of a destroyer only affects the ability of surface vessels to return fire when hit by subs.

@Bunnies:

When in doubt, blame it on America!

I did not think Nuno was still around to do that…  :roll:

Subs always shoot in opening fire and unless there is a DD for your side anything that would “sink” from the hits scored by the subs doesn’t get to shoot back. 2 subs getting two hits could sink the BB before it could fire back. You always need two hits to sink a BB no matter when they are applied.

Also note there is opening fire in every round of combat. Every round your subs have a shot at sinking something that won’t get to shoot back (unless an enemy DD is present.)

@ncscswitch:

Also, doing away with that rule would create some really fracked Allied strategies…
Things like the Allies LETTING USSR fall so that UK and US could have the rest of Russia’s income and become incredibly strong immediately.

yeah,

I know  :lol:
I would never imply the system in one of my games!

or you could play World at War 2005 where all these problems are solved.

A/A guns can roll up to 3 dice per combat round and may not fire more than one die at each attacking aircraft.  More than one A/A gun can be used in a territory.  They fire just like any other normal unit.  They can also be used as Anti-tank guns and casualties.

Oh yeah, defending and attacking fighters exchange fire for one round against SBRs.  Fighters accompanying an SBR have a range of 6.  They also have a range of 6 if they do not participate in combat that turn.  A/A guns can fire for one round during the SBR and normally in a normal attack in the same turn.  SBRs can damage/destroy factories, so the stakes are higher.  Factories can be repaired but if they are not, certain penalties apply.  For instance, if you hit well enough, you can prevent the factory from putting out tanks, A/A guns, ships and/or aircraft.  You can also bomb runways and limit the amount of defending fighters able to defend against SBRs.  In short, you can actually have a real Battle of Britian.  One more way World at War is superior.

if you want to see a crazy fleet battle that happened in one of my games?

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=6356.0

Thank you.  I just join.

Ok thanks for the info TRIHERO.