It was politics, but know we now it was/is Bullschtick…

I am impressed with the maturity and growth shown by everyone here.

(sigh!)

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051117/APF/511170881

Did police ask for the video? 
Did the gendarmes(sp?) get a warrant (or whatever they call it in France) from a judge(?) ??

Don’t the French think that it might be a good idee to keep a guy who made a mistake or two?  He may have learned something.

still here, though i am finding it difficult to get to a computer and check up on the site.

The thing is - this isn’t news. I’ve read about similar circumstances - innocent people fingered by mean neighbours and sent to be tortured and die in US prison camps. Even in medical journals.

Sadly this also undoubtably happened under Saddam as well - the only difference is that the US is now the criminal here. This is not to say that the US is as bad as Saddam was (this is more difficult to judge but IMO most US forces refrain from these practices). But no question in my mind that the US has not been acting with clean hands. The questions I have is exactly how widespread is the US misbehaving with regards to the big picture? Atrocities happen in all wars by all sides - war is hell. The clear difference now is that it gets reported more often. Maybe it happens (with US forces) more often than before, but again who knows for certain?

The other point is that sometimes, rarely, it may be necessary to resort to these sorts of tactics to prevent a worse disaster. When/if this is ever the case, I am glad I will never have to be the person to make this call (what if you are wrong :cry: ). But clearly in the case of Lyndie England, et al, this was a case of some evil miscreants who have not been punished sufficiently, IMO for their crimes.

This isn’t impressive at all. Spain had little where to go but up. They’re still Portugal’s black-sheep cousin (and Portugal was a 3rd world country 19 years ago). It’s not like he took a “great nation” and made it “greater”. After all, twice 2 pennies is only 4 pennies.

And the same could have been said about Canada when you speak of it’s economic growth. :wink:

It frightens me cause my daughter is 17.
Janus, you come near her n i’ll break your ( )!

Dont worry, lol, im not looking right now anyway.

@ZimZaxZeo:

Now, I dig your logic … and I would add simply that the people of the American nation either have to be for democracy, and this can only be universal democracy, or they have to be against it. Perhaps this Kaplan is using some seige mentality “warrior” reasoning that prefers to avoid messy things like differences of opinion between nations, in favor of having a nice, neat, manageable world where the US gets all the goodies while five billion other people can live under dictators and totalitarian regimes.

I totally agree with you (your arguing with a universal democracy), that’s why i find it …. in german you’d call it “perfide”, having one thing, but for your very own and selfish interest not wanting that others have it, especially when it is regarded as a common “good”.

BTW, we didn’t have an India thread this far AFAIR. And even though it still may be (i wasn’t there) a tolerant nation, i fear that fanatism might rise there, though i hope it does not.

I think I answered this is a different section of forum before…