@Krieghund Thank you. Very interesting how a technological breakthrough affects other core game rules here.
Can allies win?
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Leaving Japan out of the Allied plans is suicide. Your Asian Allied units should contain Japanese advances as long as possible until re-enforcements can arrive. I recommend trying all suggested strategies. Find out what works for you. Co-ordinate with your Allies plans to fight the Japanese back. Alot of what you can accomplish will depend on the experience level of the Axis powers…
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Not only can the Allies win -they should win (most games). Here is the basic blue-print for Allied victory:
Russia buys men and maybe a tank or two and attacks Germany in round 1. Russia is on the defensive right now, but their attacking Germany is a defensive move. They are interested in destroying unprotected German fire-power (tanks and a fighter or two that initially do not have the infantry support to defend them). Do not attack Norway.
Place their purchase in the Northern complex and move their men and planes from the Capital into this territory.
Russia will concede lands in Asis. There is just too much land to defend there and the Allies will be concentrating all of their efforts on Germany. It will take several rounds for Japan to build a force of tanks capable of going after the Russian capital and by then there will be plenty of Allied fighters and infantry to defend it -and Germany will be far more ready to fall against the three pronged attack.
UK and USA will move all of their fighters and whatever ground troops they can into the Russian Northern complex in round 1. A force of UK/US planes behind the Russian infantry will insure that this key territory can not be taken by the Germans. Russia can use all available men/tanks on the offensive against Germany with the knowledge that the combination of their buy and the defending Allied fighters will keep this key territory secure. Once this territory is secure with the three country force the Allies can shift gears and go all out after Germany. They can probably actually do this in round 2.
UK/US will be looking to get a lot of fighters into Russia for defense (capital and northern complex), but they should also be supplying some men and tanks so that they can attack on their turns.
When the Allies attack, they should always attack with an all out force. You don’t just want to win a battle, you want to win it convincingly. The fewer rounds it takes for you to kill your opponent the less losses you will suffer. This is key. All too often I see people spreading themselves out too thin and trying to do too much in one round. Focus on what is important.
This is far from complete, I have much more to say, but I gotta go. I will finish this later.
Good luck.
[ This Message was edited by: xenophobe on 2001-12-07 11:16 ]
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Russia is the KEY for the allies!!! I agree that allied units need to stall Japan while they reinforce Russia….DO NOT TRY AND TAKE ASIA…just hold off the Japs while Russia and the allies build up forces against Germany…above states a good strategy…follow that…and things should be good.
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The best advice is to not build industrial
complexes in asia with any of the allies. Take it from me I have played this game for
8 years and have never lost a game. Figure out how to geographically use your allied
forces together. Yes the allies may have more
teritory to guard but they have the ability
to uniguely cordinate forces for defense and
rapid counter attacks ( 3 0n 2 ). The key for
the allies is overwhelming cordinated firepower. Once again I have never lost with
eaither side. Hope you can begin to use this
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On 2001-12-19 18:20, Anonymous wrote:
Take it from me I have played this game for
8 years and have never lost a game.I highly doubt that…
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On 2001-12-19 18:20, Anonymous wrote:
Take it from me I have played this game for 8 years and have never lost a game.Playing against your cat and dog don’t really count…
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What is it that you doubt? I would be eager
to take on any contender. In fact I have even
faced several people at once and won. They
finally gave up. Don’t get me wrong I can be beat
but…. it hasn’t happened yet. Also if you
consider speed school students and former
military personnel who have played this game
for years " Cats and Dogs " you are sadly
mistaken. By the way Patton is good but
he is no Rommel.
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You have a big brass pair for some one who posts anonymously. I’ll have a go at you. Here is my E-mail address
By the way Patton beat Rommel in Africa, and he would have in Europe, but you know the rest of that story.
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On 2001-12-19 18:20, Anonymous wrote:
The best advice is to not build industrial
complexes in asia with any of the allies. Take it from me I have played this game for
8 years and have never lost a game. Figure out how to geographically use your allied
forces together. Yes the allies may have more
teritory to guard but they have the ability
to uniguely cordinate forces for defense and
rapid counter attacks ( 3 0n 2 ). The key for
the allies is overwhelming cordinated firepower. Once again I have never lost with
eaither side. Hope you can begin to use this
new strategy. Good Luck!It does sound like you need to find some more competative people to play against. But you do give good -though general- advice. Coordination is the key for an Allied victory, and logistics are their biggest challenge.
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And you can never say Rommel is the best. Why? He lost.
But everyone loses sometimes. I highly doubt that the first few games you played you never lost. I consider myself a master player and I still find people who could whoops me 20 times over. Get away from this board if you want to lie like that.
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Romel lost, but so does everybody else once eventually.
(Napoleon, Cornwallis, Romel, Lee, Sonewall Jackson, Forrest, Mead, Santa Anna, to name a few)and Anonymous will sooner or later (there is such a thing as really bad luck…(it happens to everybody once in a while))
Everybody has bad days (Stonewall Jackson got accidentally shot in the head by one of his own soldiers!) -
Patton didnt lose :wink:
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Rommel was murdered by Hitler. Patton’s “accident” in the Black Forest probably was also, but for different reasons.
They both lost. -
Jackson was shot in the shoulder and died of comlications, a .50 cal slug has a way of creating compications that way.
Rommel commited suicide to spare his family.
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“Ones own experience is nothing more than his own knowledge of the mistakes he’s made.”
With that said, everyone loses, I mean EVERYONE! From GI JOE’s, to five star Generals, everyone has lost something…not one military mastermind has ever gone without a defeat of some sort. They may have lost a battle, but they won the war.
And as for Mr. Anonymous…I apologize for him, as he suffers from “little man syndrome”, he cannot help himself from the lies he believes to be true. You see, in the “little man’s” world, he believes himself to be the biggest, baddest, tough-ass…but then WHAM!..reality hits when his mommy calls him for his afternoon nap.
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Hi,
Hopefully we can keep this site going in
a positive direction. Doesn’t sound like
Major Damage “Daniel Ferruccio” wants to
but hopefully he will come around so that we
can all benefit from this site. The fact is
I have posted anonymously because I haven’t
taken the time to read info regarding user
name. I just recently finished up with
a semester in college and am finally done
with being president of my college
fraternity. So I have been very busy but was
eager to get into some axis and allies. My
name is Gavin Perkins and I apoligize for
not posting my name earlier. To clear up
a few things though I started playing the
game against my self until I was ready to
play others. This is why I didn’t loose inthe begining. You might question this but
try it some time and be honest with both
sides because you will see things that younever have before. Everyone of you have made
some good points about why people loose. Like
being on your best at all times is difficult.
I agree with that and that is why I play when
I can devote my time to a game. I play tuff
competition with guys who have played the
game for years and are intelligent people.
I will email anyone who is interested in a
game. Also I am big into History and
especially WW2. If I recall right Rommel wasdefeated by a LARGE ALLIED force that
Montgomery got credit for. I think Rommel’s
supplies consisted of nearly 90 percent
allied equipment. What would Rommel have been
like if he had Patton’s supplies? MOST
historians agree that Rommel was unsurpassed
as a military tactician. By the way Blood and
Guts lost at war games to another general.
Guess who? Patton said, and I quote:
"Rommel is the MOST magnificent Son of a
Bitch" Rommel literally wrote the book on
tank/mechagnized
warfare and Patton subscribed.It is good to see that you are a
patriot. We should set up a big game!
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I know it’s a little late but it sounds like you need to find some better compition. I find losing to be very valuable in bettering my play, you don’t know what you’re missing.
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sorry, I was mis-informed on the Romel part, but my point was: everybody loses!, everybody has bad days, Badluck-it happens.
Furthermore, I used to think I was All that at chess because I could beat (every time) my dad, my mom, my siblings, my friends, everybody!, but then, I played one game of chess at the MSN gaming zone, and then another, and another, and another, and many more. I lost every time. I have not yet won a game of chess outside of my immediate family.
My point is: losing is good for you. If you’ve never lost, then well-you don’t know what your missing to be able to look back and see “oh, I really screwed up there” or “wow look at that awesome strategy that guy used there, have to remember that one” or “everything went perfectly, how did I lose?” To me, I try to win, but if I lose then
1. they are most likely better than I am
2. they know something I didn’t know, but now I probably do.
3. They enjoyed playing me and will most likely play me again to help me get better
4. They saw my errors and will enjoy pointing them out to me.Also, I played, and still play chess, RISK, Axis and Allies Europe, Axis and Allies (classic) (don’t have pacific yet, maybe for christmas), and checkers with myself. I agree that this does improve you. But, there are some really good strategies for all these games that you would never think up on your own, (or think “that would never work”). I used to think that any first turn Russian attack would be stupid. I didn’t used to realize the purpose of risking a 15 ipc bomber on a SBR for a 5/6 chance of destroying a random amount of money six dollars or less. I especially hope you (Gavin) respond to this because I am wondering if there is a special way to play yourself that causes invincibility.
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What do you mean by a special way? I have
played many people who feel that they were
very good at the game and they weren’t in my
circle/network. So yes I have played many
people. Also let me clarify being undefeated.
This means that I haven’t lost when I play
as the axis or allies against another person.
However, I was paired with a person before
and we lost as a group. The key for me is
complete command and control of one side or
the other. Yes I do think that you see many
different ways or viewpoints when you play
against your self. I would advise all of you
to try it. Give me some feed back. I saw one
person that mentioned playing the game in
later rounds as a key to success. This is
true. It is also true that the style of play
makes a significant difference in later rounds.
The axis and the allies must be played withan understanding that regardless of tactics
the styles for both sides are different.
That style is determined by the 3 on 2
countries. I will brush up a little bitand set up a game with one of you. I am as
eager to play and learn as you all are. Gavin
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Being a good soldier requires defeat. You must learn from your mistakes.
The reason Napoleon lost is because he thought he couldn’t lose.
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