Using a friendly power's transport to make a combat move. I need confirmation.

@shadowhawk said in Defenceless transport rules need revision:

Currently if i got 100 transport and the enemy attacks with 1 sub, but i have an airbase and 1 fighter i can scramble. At that point i do have a unit that can shoot back so the rule does not apply and the enemy has to make 100kills with the sub.

No. Fighter and submarine can’t hit each other - so the transports are still defenseless.

Rulebook Europe 1940 2nd , page 20:

“Defenseless Transports
In a sea battle, if the defender has only transports
remaining and the attacker still has units capable
of attacking, the defending transports are all
destroyed, along with their cargo. You don’t have
to continue rolling dice until all the transports
receive hits. This will speed up combats. This also
occurs if the only combat units remaining can’t hit
each other. For example, if the defender has only
transports and submarines remaining, and the
attacker has only air units remaining, the air units
and submarines can’t hit each other, so the trans-
ports are defenseless. At this point, defenseless
transports are all destroyed, along with their cargo.
Attacking transports are not usually considered
defenseless, since they generally have the option
of retreating. If they can’t retreat, they are treated
the same as defending transports. Destroying
defenseless transports in this way still counts as
combat for the purpose of offshore bombardment
and similar rules.”

@shadowhawk said in Defenceless transport rules need revision:

Or if i got 20AA guns and the enemy attacks with 1 mech. Do we really want to roll dies till he hits 20x a 1?

No, as the same rulebook says on page 29:

“If a territory containing AAA units and no combat units is attacked, the AAA units are automatically destroyed after they fire (see “Air Defense”, below), but if only air units are attacking, at least one of them must survive the Air Defense in order to destroy the AAA. AAA units may never attack.”

@Amalec:

To add to the above, the transport can only still load IF it is used on the same turn to make an amphibious attack. If it isn’t being used to make an amphibious attack, then it can’t load those troops until the non-combat phase - but at that point it’s already taken part in the combat against the sub and so can’t be used again.

Are your sure about this one?
A defenseless Transport which make no move and no loading in Combat Move phase cannot be use in Non-Combat Move if there was a naval battle in the same SZ.

It is like throwing a UK’s Battleship amongst Japanese TPs before DOW.
Japan DOW on its turn but cannot load IJN TPs, but still may move them outside the embattled SZ in Combat Move Phase and can load and unload land units if it there is some in another friendly SZ during Combat Move Phase.

So, such empty TPs are totally neutralized if they stayed in the hostile SZ, even it becomes friendly after battle?

Thank You, Basically airpower or/both sea power can protect transports from scramblers. But one must commit before they know if there will be a battle. I get it an like it.

Just think of what a rich country could do with all of the Tech.'s  Rockets Heavy Bombers Paratroops Etc.
In the days when we used to play classic we would get bored and change things up,  and one of the things we did was to make Tech.'s easier to obtain.  One was to make it so at the end of your turn you would roll a six sided and what you rolled is what you got,  each turn you would do that and on turn six you had every one.  One of the other versions was to pay 5$ and roll and what you got was what you got,  another variation was to have the free roll but you needed a six to break through to Technology
  When certain counties got certain Tech.'s early then it was over fast, I think the new game is going to be no different with the results,  it will just be slightly more complex
  One of my favorites was to write on the backs of the territory markers the Tech  like Rockets do that to 10  and then on another 10 put the next Tech. until each Tech. is represented 10 times.  Put all those in a cup and at the end of your turn you draw one,  when you get 3 like Tech.'s its yours. One other detail you can give one in exchange to your opponent once per turn. Pick yours that you want to get rid of and take one from any opponent, and you can trade freely with your side .
You cant share Tech.'s but you can make it easier for your side
Thats one I would like to see in the Books
  Each country gets to draw once per turn
  If ya want to change up the same old boring game  try it

The answer is no

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If i remember correct, even a lone AA stops a blitz

Or a lone minor complex, or a lone major complex, or a lone naval base, or a lone air base……  :-)

All of those have to be lone.

Whaaaa??  It’s not like you can blitz through a territory with a complex, air base, and naval base.  Your comment makes no sense.

I meant that you can’t have a naval base that’s not “lone”(similar for others) since you can’t have more than one naval base in a territory

Dude, “lone” means that’s the only thing in the territory!

I was using the definition that lone naval base means it’s the only naval base in the territory. Thus, every naval base is lone

LOL buy 6 SBmrs and 1 Fig a round as the US…  Atlantic secured!

London.