Destroyer, Fighter and Sub Question

Thank you soooo much. You have no idea how frustrating that has been. I’m sure more problems will come up but you have made this game 10x easier to play now. Thank you again.

You will probably need them to avoid confusion. Maybe somebody scanned them and put them online - you can print them out or use these:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=22857.0

@Der:

I guess I get it but don’t like it.  :x

What about the loaded transports - can they be held back or are they forced participate in the sea battle before offloading?

All combat moves are made at the same time and are considered simultaneous for game proposes. So they are forced to participate on the battle as well.

its ALL counter-intuitive because generally speaking, if the attacking force doesn’t want to kill subs, they wouldn’t aim at subs  :lol:  I can’t think of any tactics that would force the attacker to dispatch the subs before the transports, but thems the rules.

@Nomarclegs:

Hmm… So by “friendly” destroyer/s the rule book is referring to only those of the actual attacking power?

In the case of the attacker, yes.  A friendly destroyer must be “in the battle” in order to affect subs.  Since allied units don’t attack together, the only friendly destroyers in the battle will belong to the attacking power.

The defender, however, will benefit from destroyers belonging to an ally, since all units in the sea zone defend together in a battle.

Ah yes, that was exactly the conversation I was thinking of.  You are quite right, I was thinking of a defending air unit.  In combat the air units would retreat during the non-combat movement phase and of course not have movements allowed and would crash.

German naval buys aren’t looking good in this game–12$ bombers and defenseless transports make them much harder here than in Revised.

If Germany buys a Med destroyer, and sits in 14, UK can still muster 2 figs 1 bomb for a UK1 attack by moving the AC up into 15 (assuming Germany committed air to killing the destroyer in 15, which is fairly risky unless Germany uses 2 or more planes).  This is risky for UK, but even if they get diced they will kill enough that Russia mops up the rest on R2.

If Germany buys an AC, then I guess UK holds off on a UK1 attack.  But what UK can do is buy 2 bombers, and fly its figs to West Russia or West Africa.  Then rally all land forces in Jordan.  So now, if Germany lands Egy G2, UK attacks UK2.  3 figs, 3 bombers attack 2 figs 1 ac 1 bb.

The Med fleet is doomed.  I’d recommend attacking Egy on G1…at least that forces UK to either counter immediately or lose Africa, and this counter takes some pressure off Japan.

@Lozmoid:

When retreating from a land combat, I know that all attacking land units must move to one adjacent space from which at least one of those units originally came. But what about the attacking air units? We played it that they may move to any friendly space (range permitting) during the Non-Combat Move. Were we correct in this? Or must they move to the same space as all the land units?

You played it correctly.

@Lozmoid:

Also, I take it that partial retreats are still allowed? i.e. all/some attacking air units may retreat from a land cobat after one round, leaving the attacking land units to continue the struggle… Is this correct also? Thank you again.

Partial retreats are only allowed in the case of amphibious assaults. Even then, all units that may retreat (non-amphibious units) must retreat at the same time.