ABH vs Innocentbystander G40

[innocentbystander]

@Arthur:

I think that everything was done in accordance to your wishes and the rolling was transparent.  Let me know if there was anything that you disagree with.Â

Everything is fine.  But what I don’t understand is (with only one carrier) how is it mathematically possible for you to get 2 fighters AND the tactical bomber in on Sea Zone 6?  One would have to crash as it would never have enough range to land anywhere safely.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

The aircraft carrier was done in non-combat movement.  As long as it is conceivable that there is a carrier to catch them, the planes can attack.  You don’t have to actually go through with the pickup if your planes are shot down.

I did have 2 carriers that could reach the pickup zone.  I had used them both in the original move, but edited it to use only one when I rerolled for your scramble and hence lost a couple of planes.

[innocentbystander]

Just.  Bad.  Luck.

I would have happily traded my strategic bomber for your British Cruiser.  But of course, I missed and (well) you hit.  And no bonuses for me.  Not a good start.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

I had one game where Germany lost 4 strat bombers over 4 rounds before finally killing the British cruiser.

[innocentbystander]

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            1 armour moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            1 armour moved from Albania to Greece
            1 armour moved from Albania to Greece
            1 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
            1 infantry moved from Albania to Greece
            3 fighters moved from Southern Italy to Greece

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                British win with 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -12
                Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber
            Battle in Greece
                Italians attack with 2 armour, 3 fighters and 2 infantry
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Italians win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
            Battle in Algeria
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Algeria from French with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            3 fighters moved from Greece to Southern Italy
            2 aaGuns moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
            2 aaGuns moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            2 artilleries moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            2 infantry moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            4 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia

Place Units - Italians
            1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs total

[innocentbystander]

@Arthur:

I had one game where Germany lost 4 strat bombers over 4 rounds before finally killing the British cruiser.Â

Stuff like that is just stupid.  These are things that turn war gamers off of A&A sometimes.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 artillery, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                ANZAC attack with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                ANZAC win, taking 41 Sea Zone from Japanese with 1 destroyer and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 62 Sea Zone to New South Wales
            1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to India

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 artillery placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 16 PUs total
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Dutch New Guinea: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from Dutch New Guinea: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to New Guinea: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 2

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Algeria
            1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone

Combat - French
            Battle in Algeria
                French attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 armour and 1 artillery
                retreated to Algeria
                Italians win with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - French
            1 fighter moved from Algeria to Gibraltar
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Egypt

Turn Complete - French

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

We can always do low luck games if you don’t like the vagaries of dice.  TripleA has that option.  If you attack with six bombers, you are guaranteed 4 hits.  If you defend with 6 infantry, you are guaranteed 2 hits.  If you had 7 infantry, you get 2 hits plus a 2/6 chance of getting a third hit.  It allows you to precisely calculate how many units you need to win a combat.  That takes away most of the randomness.

[innocentbystander]

@Arthur:

We can always do low luck games if you don’t like the vagaries of dice.  TripleA has that option.  If you attack with six bombers, you are guaranteed 4 hits.  If you defend with 6 infantry, you are guaranteed 2 hits.  If you had 7 infantry, you get 2 hits plus a 2/6 chance of getting a third hit.  It allows you to precisely calculate how many units you need to win a combat.  That takes away most of the randomness.Â

Nah that’s okay.  Hopefully it will all just even out.  Its just a game.

[innocentbystander]

Game History

Round: 3

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 fighter, 10 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Politics - Germans
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
            Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese
                Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Germans To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Chinese from Neutrality to War

Combat Move - Germans
            8 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
                  Germans take Eastern Poland from Russians
            1 armour moved from Poland to Bessarabia
                  Germans take Bessarabia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Poland to Bessarabia
            10 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
            4 artilleries moved from Romania to Bessarabia
            4 armour moved from Germany to Baltic States
                  Germans take Baltic States from Russians
            2 armour moved from Poland to Baltic States
            3 artilleries moved from Poland to Baltic States
            19 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
            10 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            3 armour moved from Western Germany to Poland
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 114 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 96 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 114 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Iceland
            1 cruiser moved from 112 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 114 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to 114 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Iceland

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 destroyer
                Germans win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for French: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 114 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Russians: 1 cruiser
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 submarine
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 cruiser
                Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 96 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Greece
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland
            1 fighter moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland
            1 bomber moved from 114 Sea Zone to Poland

Place Units - Germans
            10 infantry placed in Germany
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western Germany
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Bessarabia: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Romania: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Baltic States: 2 aaGuns
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Poland: 2 aaGuns
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Poland: 3 aaGuns
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 3 aaGuns
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2
            Germans collect 42 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 43 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 3

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Malaya
                  UK_Pacific take Shan State from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            1 fighter moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone

Combat - Russians
            Battle in 123 Sea Zone
                Russians attack with 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                Russians win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 19
                Casualties for Germans: 1 cruiser and 1 transport
            Battle in Malaya
                Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 harbour
                Russians win, taking Malaya from Japanese with 1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery
            Battle in Eastern Poland
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Eastern Poland from Germans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            3 artilleries moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 fighter moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 19 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
                  Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Russia
            6 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska
            2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Malaya to Yunnan

Place Units - Russians
            1 infantry placed in Ukraine
            Russians undo move 1.
            2 artilleries, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 40 PUs

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

I have never faced a German player who holds Iceland so strongly.  Ingenious!  Meanwhile Japan is in trouble because China is so strong and it is difficult to get more troops to the mainland.  You needed to have captured Yunnan on J1, even with the DOW on the Allies.

I personally don’t do a J1 attack on the Allies if I see that Russia is bringing units to help out China.  I find that China gets out of control and I need the first two rounds of Japan to focus on eliminating Chinese power.  As the Allies, I love the Russian support for China since it allows the US to shift focus to the Atlantic a round earlier.  Japan has to spend too much money on the mainland to build as big of a fleet.

[innocentbystander]

@Arthur:

I have never faced a German player who holds Iceland so strongly.  Ingenious!  Meanwhile Japan is in trouble because China is so strong and it is difficult to get more troops to the mainland.  You needed to have captured Yunnan on J1, even with the DOW on the Allies.Â

I personally don’t do a J1 attack on the Allies if I see that Russia is bringing units to help out China.  I find that China gets out of control and I need the first two rounds of Japan to focus on eliminating Chinese power.  As the Allies, I love the Russian support for China since it allows the US to shift focus to the Atlantic a round earlier.  Japan has to spend too much money on the mainland to build as big of a fleet.

When I wait a turn, I don’t get any of the 4 juicy islands with Japan.  ANZAC and India get too much of an edge in getting all goodies.  It turns into too much of a fight for money.  I suppose it is no better if I wait two turns

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

I usually do a J2 declaration of war unless I find that Russia is extremely aggressive in Asia and I need my planes to crush the forces.  About 90% of the league players also do J2 DOW since it can be difficult to hold on to Yunnan if Russia sends in a couple planes, a tank, and a mech infantry to help out.  If you do a J1 DOW, it is critical that you get Yunnan.  Otherwise China has additional forces and can start building artillery on China1.  Cow has a great set of articles on axisandallies.org on his recommendations for a J1 attack plan.  I used to always do his strategy until I met aggressive Russian players.

[innocentbystander]

@Arthur:

I usually do a J2 declaration of war unless I find that Russia is extremely aggressive in Asia and I need my planes to crush the forces.  About 90% of the league players also do J2 DOW since it can be difficult to hold on to Yunnan if Russia sends in a couple planes, a tank, and a mech infantry to help out.  If you do a J1 DOW, it is critical that you get Yunnan.  Otherwise China has additional forces and can start building artillery on China1.  Cow has a great set of articles on axisandallies.org on his recommendations for a J1 attack plan.  I used to always do his strategy until I met aggressive Russian players.

Why couldn’t I “scramble” and kill the Russian Sub?

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

You had no destroyer so your planes can’t target the sub.

[innocentbystander]

@Arthur:

You had no destroyer so your planes can’t target the sub.Â

Well that sucks.  I hate the rule.  Oh well, live and learn.  Did my cruiser even get a shot or did you just automatically sink everything because, there is no destroyer there?

[innocentbystander]

Incidentally, you kicked my @ss in China this turn.  I lost a plane.

[Arthur Bomber Harris]

That is China’s job!