Balancing 1914

[Cow]

How exactly does the polen stack survive Hungary round 2?

[Cow]

So you are moving 6+6+6+3 inf into polen +2+2+2+2 arty.

39 units.

[Oddbjoern]

Yes. Retreat with the rest towards Mos and only but info there. Aldo retreat Polen towards Mos R2. units in Sev will teman in place to threat Romania

[Cow]

That is not enough to kill Germany on Silesia. Hungary usually goes the other route unless it stacks on Galicia.

I seen 42 units on Galicia, Attack Romania then retreat into it. Buy a minimum of one fighter on round 1 and bam you have air superiority.

43 units with air superiority vs 39. It is pretty sick. You force Russians into belarius, Then you claim Ukraine and Romania no problem with Hungary, but your big stack will be on Poland with the Germans. After that you let Germany do all the skirmishing because he goes right after Russia. You would only have to focus on the big battles.

[Cow]

In a dice game, usually you blow Romania away or ignore it. It is really personal preference. If he is holding Poland round 1, who cares. You are attack is on round 5. Your capital is 3 turns away.  You just want Germany to skirmish. Like you send 1 infantry here n there, If Russia reclaims it, Germany attacks for you. If Russia does not reclaim his territories well… you would make lots of money… so yeah.

[Cow]

So you are really not going to stay there past round 1 anyway. You will move that out. The attack is on round 5 anyway.

In a dice game you buy inf and arty rounds 1-2. Get everything going to Russia. After that only fighters make it to Russia. That is how you get Russia with Hungary.

[Cow]

It is hard to imagine this, because polen is a really dangerous spot to be even in a low luck game, because well Germany can suicide some units like 1 inf 1 arty to score 1 hit.

Generally speaking Hungary wants money in a dice game and goes after it.  Stacks galicia. Then it starts getting ready to attack russia for round 5. It is a timed attack. Round 6 is generally considered a safer round to attack Russia on, because that is how that works.

[Cow]

With fighters you can do a more economical game as Hungary. After rounds 1-2 You can just send 4 inf 1 arty a round towards Belarus. As long as you have like 3-4 fighters, you will come out on top in territory exchanges.

If you do this you better take Rome.

[Cow]

Everything you see on the board on Round 1 attacks the neutral pro allies and then it goes towards Russia, with the exception of that one Italy territory. Germany holds the west off entirely on its own for you. Hungary is all in on Russia, everything goes one way, and that is it.

[Cow]

You start the game with 12 less units than Hungary. Hungary goes first. If Russia wants to make money it has to attack territories back, costing him units, which will die to Germany, making the Hungary attack scarier, not taking territories back means sad money. Hungary makes more money than Russia. It is awesome like that. Hungary is going to get Russia.

Even if you are not as crazy as me and want to do things a bit more conservatively. You are going to outproduce him and if you constantly send more men than Russia produces his way, you will take it eventually.

As long as you buy strait fighters two rounds in advance before you attack the capital, you should be fine.

[Oddbjoern]

So in AH1 you attack Serbia with 8inf and 2art, attack romania with 16inf and 4 art and stack Galicia with 18inf and 4 art? Do you send 6inf, 2art from Tyrole to Trieste?
What do you do in G1, how many units to you vinit for the eastern front 25inf, 9 art and the plan? Do you send inf. from Germany into Tyrol to protect the Italien border?

[Cow]

You bring everything. I do not see any reason to have anything less than everything going towards Russia. Every unit you start with needs to hit Russia at round 5.

In our first game I was not restricted from attacking Russia and Italy off the go so I did not need to bring everything. I could attack Polen round 1 or the Italy stack round 1 if I wanted to. This game was super one sided for the central powers.
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Just bring everything. Germany can Handle France and Rome. Like if Rome is not going to push out heavy or he gets his butt kicked… or Germany makes march for Rome.

France and Rome are far away, everything moves 1 space. So you have 4 rounds of pure freedom to wail away at Russia. Abuse this.

[Oddbjoern]

Ok then, but that means 6 inf. and 2 art from Italy will invade Trieste r1 since its empty and you cant even take it back since all units are going east… Also even if you do hit Russia with everything from AH, you wont take it by r5 unless Germany sends a ton as well. Which leasa me to ask what is your G1 and please be specific…

[Cow]

You do not take switzerland with germany @_@? You do the Belgium thing. That is fine just move Munich down. You are going to switzerland soon soon anyway.

If Italy moves a mid size stack into your 4 ipc territory… you just go Italy instead crush it with Hungary. Italy needs those guys. He can send 1 unit sure. Woopy do.

[Cow]

All Germany sends towards Russia is Purria, Silesia, and maybe Berlin. That is up to you. Everything else is better off going towards their nearest line.

[Cow]

As Germany the only thing you really care about is never losing Ruhr. Usually you contest belguim  Your buys go berlin, hunover, ruhr,  Alsace  switzerland if possibru.

Sometimes the line is at the swiss, sometimes alsace, if you are losing the line gets pushed back to ruhr… that is when you in deep doo doo.  If you got Russia out of the game, you will be able to push back.

[Cow]

If you want to bleed the Russians out of the game an take it over in a slower fashion by all means, I would send Berlin Prussia that other spot towards Russia. The bulk of Hungary at him. Starting round three 7 inf a round set it aside and move it to him the rest for Italy. Eventually you will Take Russia. He will make so little money.

[Oddbjoern]

Well then I agree, If you send Everything From AH incl the first buy towards Russia plus Everything from Berlin, Prussia and Silicia Russia will be in Revolution R5 no question (though they would not have taken Moscow only contested).

Though in this scenario with Germany sending Munich into Tyrol, Belgium would have fallen by r5 (most likely r3). Italy would take and hold Trieste for 2 rounds, making 20 IPC R2 and R3(maybe even 22IPC R3 since serbia would be weak then).

Lets look at the IPC at the end of R5:

AH: Taken Ukraine, Serbia and Romania. Lost nothing: 34 ICP
Germany: Africa is clear of axis by the end of turn5. Which means minus 4 IPC. Germany would ahve taken most likely Polen, Livonia and Belarus, which means plus 7 IPC. And taken Swiss, plus 1 IPC.
Total IPC: 39
France: 24+Portogal+Belgium = 28 IPC
Britain: 30+Persia+Meso+Africa(easier to just assume 1 Ally took all of Africa): Total: 39 IPC
Italy would still keep Venice and Albania in r5 in this scenario: 16 IPC

So in total: Allies: 83 IPC (plus 20 from America), Axis: 73 IPC

During R6-R10, The Ottomans would fall to Britain. Afterwards shipping would commence to reinforce Italy who would not have lost more than at most Venice and Piemonte. Germany would not have gotten anywhere with France yet with the assistence from America. R10-R15: Axis would loss slowly but surely.

With very lucky dice, R6-R15 may turn out in the favor of the axis but not in a lowluck game.

[Cow]

Munich is strong enough to hold the top one.

[Cow]

If you are playing with economic and political collapse rules your strategy should be different.

Since you can force economic collapses on Russia if Germany and Hungary take different routes. Also sharing the burden of Russia makes more sense in this situation, because you do not need to defeat the capital.