sz54:
1 ANZ INF alone on 1 US TRN
2 US INFs on 2 US TRNs
2 UK FTRs on 1 US carrier
13L G40 seththenewb(allies+10) vs MagicQ(axis)
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Subs got 2 hits and there is only 2 warships so there is no choice for defender. What do you reckon?
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The battle was rolled illegally, hence the results aren’t valid. I told you why they were illegal and gave you the first round. But I stated that I would not accept any further sub combat that was rolled on triplea. That document clearly states that sub combat needs to be rolled on the forum and THAT’s what I’m protesting.
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@seththenewb:
Yes, I have destroyers present in the battle. So your sub special abilities are negated. But triplea still has your subs rolling first before everyone else, forcing casualty choices prior to the rest of the attacker’s dice. It does this with both defending and attacking subs and it’s wrong.
Quick example
I attack a sub with dd, ca, 2ftrs. In triplea the sub rolls first and gets a hit before the attacker knows if he’ll get the sub or not. If the attacker chooses to lose the dd and then all his units miss that sub escapes. If the attacker decides to play it safe and kill the cruiser, then he risks losing a more valuable piece for nothing if he gets a hit.
Or say there’s a massive slugfest w/10 subs in the attacking force. Those subs are rolled and produce 7 hits. The defender thinks that a battle he should win just went south in a hurry and loses some carriers because he ‘knows’ that the rest of the attackers are about to stomp him. Instead the rest of the attackers score just 5 hits despite hordes of air, ca, bbs, etc. Now the defender’s lost a bunch of his flight decks because he made casualty choices based on the sub rolls despite having destroyers to negate the subs.
Thanks. I get what you mean by that. Attacker will take advantage of that little flaw of the software. But in most cases it won’t make any difference.
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I’m asking Gamer to get involved
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@seththenewb:
The battle was rolled illegally, hence the results aren’t valid. I told you why they were illegal and gave you the first round. But I stated that I would not accept any further sub combat that was rolled on triplea. That document clearly states that sub combat needs to be rolled on the forum and THAT’s what I’m protesting.
I am not sure about that. How is that invalid? 2 subs hit 2 and there is only 2 warships. there is no need to ask for anything imho regardless of what the rest of Italian fleets do,
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@seththenewb:
I’m asking Gamer to get involved
OK.
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I think the problem will happen only when there are multiple chooses for defender.
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It doesn’t matter what you rolled as that dice rolling was illegal. I stated it and asked that the combat be done via forum. You blatantly ignored me and proceeded anyway.
And it seems like you still don’t get why subs rolling first, be they defending or attacking subs, when destroyers are present is an issue. I’ll wait for Gamerman01 to weigh in before I make any further comment.
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how many subs are we talking about? are there subs on defense with an attacking destroyer or what? please put in text form the issue.
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cv, 3dd, 4ss, ca, 3ftr, tac, bmb vs 3dd, cv, ca, bb, 5ftr
2 subs carried over into the 2nd round.
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@seththenewb:
It doesn’t matter what you rolled as that dice rolling was illegal. I stated it and asked that the combat be done via forum. You blatantly ignored me and proceeded anyway.
And it seems like you still don’t get why subs rolling first, be they defending or attacking subs, when destroyers are present is an issue. I’ll wait for Gamerman01 to weigh in before I make any further comment.
Don’t mean to ignore you or anything. I just feel it make no difference in this case. Italian subs roll first and the rest of the Italian fleets roll right next to it. There is nothing in between. And defender have to choose 2 warships as casualties and there is no other option.
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are the attackers on the left? if the subs are on attack and there are no defending subs, then there’s not at big issue right? if the issue is that the subs attack and a casualty choice is required before the rest of the attack roll is done, then that is easily solved.
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@seththenewb:
It doesn’t matter what you rolled as that dice rolling was illegal. I stated it and asked that the combat be done via forum. You blatantly ignored me and proceeded anyway.
And it seems like you still don’t get why subs rolling first, be they defending or attacking subs, when destroyers are present is an issue. I’ll wait for Gamerman01 to weigh in before I make any further comment.
Don’t mean to ignore you or anything. I just feel it make no difference in this case. Italian subs roll first and the rest of the Italian fleets roll right next to it. There is nothing in between. And defender have to choose 2 warships as casualties and there is no other option.
I am talking about round 2 since you have accepted round 1 result.
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are the attackers on the left? �if the subs are on attack and there are no defending subs, then there’s not at big issue right? �if the issue is that the subs attack and a casualty choice is required before the rest of the attack roll is done, then that is easily solved.
Magic,
he may be considering to save a destroyer or not. so he wants to see your entire attack roll before being asked to choose his casualties.
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are the attackers on the left? �if the subs are on attack and there are no defending subs, then there’s not at big issue right? �if the issue is that the subs attack and a casualty choice is required before the rest of the attack roll is done, then that is easily solved.
Magic,
he may be considering to save a destroyer or not. so he wants to see your entire attack roll before being asked to choose his casualties.
and he is entitled to see the full attack roll before having to choose casualties in round 2.
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are the attackers on the left? �if the subs are on attack and there are no defending subs, then there’s not at big issue right? �if the issue is that the subs attack and a casualty choice is required before the rest of the attack roll is done, then that is easily solved.
Magic,
he may be considering to save a destroyer or not. so he wants to see your entire attack roll before being asked to choose his casualties.
Can’t save 1 dd. Only 2 UK warships left and Italian subs hit 2.
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i don’t see the issue then. seth can you elaborate?
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This is a little sticky. Let’s talk about this first.
We all agree that the first round stands, because there was only 1 sub hit and Seth would have definitely taken a hit to the battleship after the first round volley.
So Italy scores 6 hits, which includes 1 from the sub.
Seth takes hit to battleship, 2 hits to carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 cruiser
Allies score 7 hits and Magic takes 2 hits to carrier, 3 destroyers, 2 subs
OK, so then
Wait. I see Bold jumped in. I will continue after I get caught up here.
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i don’t see the issue then. seth can you elaborate?
Sub combat on triplea is handled illegally. I stated so after the first round and asked him to continue the battle on the forum. I also warned him that I wouldn’t feel compelled to accept the combat results if he rolled further sub combat via triplea.
I decided to accept the first round since I didn’t know what he knew about the triplea issue and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I also made sure he knew what the issue was so he’d know in the future.
It doesn’t matter what the results are if you do something illegally. Note that I hadn’t seen the combat result prior to issuing my warning about not accepting the dice rolls. This isn’t something that I started protesting AFTER the fact, this is something that I made him aware of BEFORE he continued the roll. Not my fault he ignored both the rules and my explicitly stated wish for him to roll the sub combat on the forum.
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This is a little sticky. Let’s talk about this first.
We all agree that the first round stands, because there was only 1 sub hit and Seth would have definitely taken a hit to the battleship after the first round volley.
So Italy scores 6 hits, which includes 1 from the sub.
Seth takes hit to battleship, 2 hits to carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 cruiser
Allies score 7 hits and Magic takes 2 hits to carrier, 3 destroyers, 2 subs
OK, so then
Wait. I see Bold jumped in. I will continue after I get caught up here.
Correct.
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