Democrats maneuvering for '04 or '08 Presidential Bid


  • MID MAY, 2003

    LJ,
    What are you a politophile!?!

    See…
    http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/national/bone05152003.htm

    So the news is that John F. Kerry(JFK) is a member of the Skulls. There need be no more Dem/Lib/Moderate comments about GW Bush being a Skulls member.

    How 'bout dat A Skulls v Skulls election!
    The Illuminati are coming! The Illuminati are coming! :wink:


  • How about those democrats maneuvering themselves into a hotel down near Texas? Rat bastards….

    …send the Texas Rangers in after them :P


  • Mid May, 2003

    I know it’s early for anyone to be paying attention to who’s running as a Dem Prez candidate , but…

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/13/opinion/polls/main553730.shtml

    66% couldn’t name ONE?


  • Tells ya how stupid a lot of Americans really are. Ignorance is a crime against yourself.


  • …and then there’s the perfect Democrat…

    …Rep. Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.)

    http://www.hillnews.com/news/052003/gephardt.aspx

    If he can’t be there for votes
    on topics he stands strongly for
    where will he be as President?


  • END of MAY, 2003

    Now the DNC has decided to save money by cutting its staff in preparation for the 2004 Presidential campaign. The problem is that all the staff cuts are minority black staffers. :oops:
    Source:
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/05/28/national2138EDT0778.DTL

    Hmm! I seem to recall that the DNC refused to help the black Democrat candidate for Gov. of NY with funding or staff support. The Republican candidate won. I also recall that the current DNC plan has Sen. Carol Mosley-Braun and variuos other favourite son African Americans running against Rev. Al Sharpton to dilute the black vote.
    Democrats are for minorities as long as these minorities keep their mouths shut and until they get their vote!


  • 66% couldn’t name ONE?

    WOOHOO! Now Yanny and I can look forward to Bush getting re-elected! :P


  • Senator JFK is having $ problems…

    See…
    http://www.lasvegassun.com/drudged/060404635.html

    He cannot use his rich wife’s, Mrs. Heinz Kerry, money!

    But the last few lines of the article explain tha t she cann give her money to an organization with no direct connection to JFK. This organization can spend the money to support the Senator’s campaign.

    Sounds to me like CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM FELL THROUGH!

    Or did I miss the US Supreme Court knocking its block off.


  • Don’t tell me a law is actually going to stop a democrat…:wink: :wink:

  • '19 Moderator

    @Deviant:Scripter:

    Don’t tell me a law is actually going to stop a democrat…:wink: :wink:

    Actualy I think that applies to polititions in general. :roll:


  • Ouch!!
    No doubt the Democratic party is in disarray, and no doubt there be factions that would wish to dilute the potency of a Sharpton… still I don’t think that anyone had to coerce Mosely-Braun into running!

    By the way, I’ve met the former Dem NY governor candidate (Carl McColl) and he’s all right – but – the party just didn’t see the upside in writing a major check for TV commercials in what was already a failed campaign! Pataki (the then and current governor) had it sewn up. Naturally, this being politics, and NY politics at that, there was plenty of screaming and yelling and accusations of betrayal etc. (sometimes referred to as "a candid and open discussion of the issues).

    So what’s the handicapping look like now? My personal feeling is that Kerry, as front runner, could pick Graham for VP to help win Florida in Nov04. Or pick a California moderate as running mate – although California is probably one of the ((few)) “theirs to lose” states for the Dems.

    A friend of mine says root for Vermont governor Howard Dean – on the theory that if you’re going to lose anyway, might as well go down in flames having made the case for the higher principles – as for example, the universal healthcare program that Dean launched in VT a couple of years ago.

    The rest are mainly running now for name recognition with an eye on '08 (Edwards) or because they’ve learned that you can earn major influence and $$$ by running for president (Lieberman), making it one of the more rewarding things you can do with your clothes on ((or in Clinton’s case, otherwise)).


  • @ZimZaxZeo:

    still I don’t think that anyone had to coerce Mosely-Braun into running!

    She was planning to run for the other Senate seat in IL(the one she didn’t lose.) But the DNC talked her out of it… destroy Sharpton’s chances and keep/eliminate a black woman from the senate(killing 2 boids w/1 stone.)
    @ZimZaxZeo:

    By the way, I’ve met the former Dem NY governor candidate (Carl McCall) and he’s all right – but – the party just didn’t see the upside in writing a major check for TV commercials in what was already a failed campaign!

    Could they be setting him up for a second run in 2006 with face/name recognition? We’ll see…
    @ZimZaxZeo:

    My personal feeling is that Kerry, as front runner, could pick Graham for VP to help win Florida in 2004. Or pick a California moderate as running mate – although California is probably one of the ((few)) “theirs to lose” states for the Dems.

    I’ve seen/heard Graham mentioned elsewhere, but the way he’s handled the Democrat debates would you want him on your ticket?!?
    @ZimZaxZeo:

    Vermont governor Howard Dean – might as well go down in flames having made the case for the higher principles – as for example, the universal healthcare program that Dean launched in VT a couple of years ago.

    Though I believe he left his state in a poor financial situation…
    @ZimZaxZeo:

    The rest are mainly running now for name recognition with an eye on '08 (Edwards) or because they’ve learned that you can earn major influence and $$$ by running for president (Lieberman).

    Here we agree completely. Each will now be introduced as former Democrat presidential candidate… incorrectly as only one will have that distinction.

    I wish to point out, as in a previous post, that most of them are senators. Recall that senators have a poor won/loss record running for US President.

    With what Bill and Hill are putting the Democrat Party through now I’d say they are preparing the Dem Party for a 2004 loss. Then Hillary can run against a newcomer/not incumbent in 2008. 2012 will be too late as Hillary will be 65… too old for most voters now… after Bush, Clinton and W!


  • The year that Hillary runs will be the year that the Republican party raises the most money ever. Anyone disagree?


  • Ho-hum. This is like below WWF in entertainment value, once you’ve seen the first ten minutes.

    Yet the outcomes affect everyone’s life – especially those in the middle class and below. Interesting how my sister despises Hillary on supposed moral grounds, while my mother admires her as a woman of achievement.

    Certainly she has “brass tubes” that workaholic blonde lawyer – and without a doubt she has plunged into Senatorhood with her eyes on the White House… she has the highest negatives of any woman in politics, for sure - - and so did Eleanor Roosevelt!

    In a sense, she ought to incorporate herself as a licensed money-printing machine for both parties! She is a polarizer. At least she’s not made out of oatmeal.

  • '19 Moderator

    @Deviant:Scripter:

    The year that Hillary runs will be the year that the Republican party raises the most money ever. Anyone disagree?

    The year she runs, and I think we can agree that she will try, I will not only make the first political donation of my life, but I will go to my local Rep. party HQ and volunteer some time.

    That s all we need Clinton with PMS. :roll: :o :( :roll:


  • @dzfish:

    That s all we need Clinton with PMS.

    :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
    **dzfish!**How rude!
    :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
    But true:so true!
    :P :wink: 8) :D :lol:


  • June 27, 2003

    Results of the moveon.org Democrat members poll…

    In most presidential primary processes, pundits, pollsters and wealthy donors determine the outcome long before the actual primaries. By the time the rest of us cast our ballots, the nomination is typically a done deal. The MoveOn.org PAC primary allowed hundreds of thousands of voters to speak out now.

    On June 24th and 25th, 2003 we held an online vote to help our members express their preferences among the current field of Democratic candidates. This vote also served to determine if there was consensus among MoveOn members for a candidate endorsement for the 2004 presidential contest. In just a little over 48 hours, 317,647 members voted, making this vote larger than both the New Hampshire Democratic primary and Iowa caucuses combined.

    No Candidate Wins Majority
    in MoveOn.Org PAC First-Ever Democratic Online “Primary”

    Estimated $1.75 million raised in pledges to Democratic contenders

    Most votes to **Dean, followed by Kucinich, and Kerry.

    Friday, June 27, 12:00pm—No candidate won a majority in this week’s first-ever Democratic online presidential primary, therefore MoveOn.org PAC will not make an endorsement at this time. Howard Dean received the highest vote total with 43.87% of the vote (139,360 votes); followed by Dennis Kucinich with 23.93% (76,000 votes); and John F. Kerry with 15.73% (49,973 votes).

    The rest of the field was in single digits: John Edwards, 3.19% (10,146 votes); Richard Gephardt, 2.44% (7,755 votes); Bob Graham, 2.24% (7,113 votes); Carol Moseley Braun, 2.21% (7,021 votes); Joe Lieberman, 1.92% (6,095 votes); and Al Sharpton, 0.53% (1,677 votes).

    MoveOn.org PAC hailed the primary as a tremendous kick-off for the campaign to defeat George Bush next year:

    • 317,639 votes were cast in the “primary,” more than the 2000 New Hampshire Democratic presidential primary, the Iowa and South Carolina Democratic presidential caucuses, combined;

    • 54,370 voters pledged to volunteer for their preferred Democratic contender;

    • 77,192 voters authorized MoveOn.org PAC to give their e-mail addresses to the candidate of their choice; and

    • 49,132 voters pledged to contribute money to their candidate, for a total estimated at more than $1.75 million ($35 average contribution).

    “And one of the most promising results for Democrats in 2004, is that most MoveOn.org voters said they would ‘enthusiastically support’ a broad array of candidates as the party’s nominee next year,” said Wes Boyd, MoveOn.org PAC treasurer.

    “This is only the beginning,” continued Boyd. “Our most important objectives have been met: early Democratic grassroots involvement; increased contributions and volunteer support for each campaign; and mobilization of the Democratic base to defeat George Bush. We wanted people to have a seat at the table, and they have taken it.”

    I’d say this shows liberals trying to take full control of the Democratic party. Who was the last iberal, or if you prefer the term ‘progressive’, to run as either major parties candidate? George McGovern(1972. I was to young to vote, but knew what was going on.) Did he win. No! I recall he planned to cut each branch of the the military by 1/4 or as much as 1/3. I remember he had a history of flipping on the issues.

    DEAN/SHARPTON in 2004!!
    Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go!**


  • Oh! Hillary is planning for 2008.
    She needs some experience and a higher profile.
    It’s time to get rid of Tom Daschle as Minority Leader in the Senate.

    Source :
    http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/1895.htm

    Talk about nepotism!

    Can you say “regime?”
    Sure you can!
    See, I knew you could.

    Heh-heh!


  • Off topic , but still politics…

    Early July, 2003…

    Sen. Daschle(D-SD) is running political ads 16 months before his next election!

    Source :
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35040-2003Jul9.html

    I’d say someone’s a lil worried about his SEAT(read SAS.) :D


  • July 12, 2003

    And now it appears some of the Democrat contenders to the throne do not want to debate their fellow combatants…

    Source :
    http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/6291857.htm

    …or is it that they don’t want to be paraded before every group…
    …the first was sponsored by ???..
    …the second by the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition…
    …this third(troubled) one by the NAACP…

    …Or COULD SOMEONE BE A WEE BIT PREJUDICED???

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