The ‘Scharnhorst’, ‘Gneisenau’ & all the “Deutschland”-class ships were purpose-built for surface-raiding, the Deutschland class (including ‘Graf Spee’) in particular w/ BC (battlecruiser) guns on a CA (heavy cruiser) hull.
AFAIK, there were three ships of the Deutschlans class:
Deutschland, Admiral Scheer, Admiral Graf Spee
The Gneisenau and the Scharnhorst belonged to the Scharnhorst class.
I agreee with the rest you wrote.
Getting back to the main topic–‘Bismarck’ was a cool ship. I also am partial to the ‘Scharnhorst’-class because of their speed, relatively good armor for BCs …
Of course, the Bismarck and the Tirpitz were of the Bismarck class, with a third ship of that class never being completed.
The ‘Graf Zeppelin’–Germany’s CV–would’ve been a cool ship had it ever been completed. Imagine “Sea-Stukas”! You get my drift…
I think the Ju87 R was a torpedo bomber, and the Ju87 C was designed as teh bomber to be used from a CV (but only operated from land bases, when the Graf Zeppelin project was canceled).
Funny–no one ever names U-boats as their faves. Raeder’s syndrome, I guess… :wink:
Then … U 47 :)
@F_k:
Then … U 47 :)
:lol: Cute, F_k.
@O_27:
The ‘Scharnhorst’, ‘Gneisenau’ & all the “Deutschland”-class ships were purpose-built for surface-raiding, the Deutschland class (including ‘Graf Spee’) in particular w/ BC (battlecruiser) guns on a CA (heavy cruiser) hull.
O_27’s wording appears to separate the “S” & “G”. The second sentence furthers my contention.
Xi’s correct, sorry about the obtuse wording! To clarify, the ships of the ‘Scharnhorst’-class were built to be conventional BCs–in theory at least, capable of outrunning BBs & outgunning all others, and were considered well-adapted for commerce-raiding. The ‘Deutschland’-class (so-called “pocket battleships”) were a style all their own with BC guns on a CA hull–supposedly perfect for the commerce-raiding role, since it could outgun even most CA escorts & still escape after the battle using their (again, theoretically)superior CA speed…
Of course, I never meant to suggest that ‘Bismarck’ & the ‘Scharnhorst’-class were the same ships either. Again, two separate trains of thought in one paragraph!
Sorry about the confusion…
Ozone27
O_27,
Thanks for the verification.
:)
English is tough enough as a first language for those of us who learn it wrong in school :P . Over 900,000 words to work with :-? … many of which mean the same thing … or close enough so that one man showed how white = black :o . Then there’s F_k, and if I remember correctly he’s brushing up on his English. Or was that F_S?
I guess we’ll know shortly!
No s**t! My German friend Felix & I always joke about Americans attitude about English & Non-English speakers. He tells a story about an American he met in a surfing camp. 1st of all you could hear the American all through the camp (Americans are very LOUD compared to Europeans, especially Germans–unless said Germans are drinking :wink: ) 2nd was his classically American POV:
“…HEY! HEY YOU! YEAH, YOU! Do you speak English? DO YOU SPEAK ENGLISH? …No? OK… DO YOU WANT TO BUY THIS SURFBOARD? I AM SELLING A SURF-BOARD–DO YOU WANT TO BUY IT?!?”
…thus we used to play around in Portugal:
“HEY! HEY, YOU! YEAH, YOU! Do you speak English? No? OK…I NEED TO GET SOME SCRILLA FROM THE ‘YAY-TEE-EMM’–DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE ‘YAY-TEE-EMM’ IS???–YOU KNOW, I NEED THA SCRILLA; THA CHEDDA; THA GREEN…”
English can be a P-I-T-A$$ indeed! :D
God bless America!
And it’s F_alk, BTW… :)
Ozone27
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@Xi:
Then there’s F_k, and if I remember correctly he’s brushing up on his English.
I always try to improve my English. Someone has to :D ;). And as a german i am destined to strive for meeting high standards cough cough :)
Xi’s correct, sorry about the obtuse wording!
Hm… sorry for correcting the correct then.
Another reason to brush up my English even more ;).
@Anonymous:
And it’s F_alk, BTW… :)
Ozone27
What’s this?
O_27 and F_k, are you having a MPD
(Multiple Personality Disorder) episode? :P
No! F_alk is F_alk & I is…oh nevermind!
Ozone27
Eew-kay!
:oops:
Sorry!
I mean “Okay!”
Nobody sees the 6 foot white rabbit drinking the Chevas Regal.
I agree with Falk! The adventures of the Admiral Graf Spee were a memmorable read(wherever I read it.)
Care to share his history with us? :)
U-BOATS COULD’VE & SHOULD’VE BEEN BUILT INSTEAD
If the Germans had completed the electro-boats (U-boats that didn’t need to surface due to their diesel engines) in time for the war… I’m not sure how much more we would’ve lost in the Battle of the Atlantic…
The ‘Graf Zeppelin’–Germany’s CV–would’ve been a cool ship had it ever been completed. Imagine “Sea-Stukas”! You get my drift…
Well it came close to being finished… though I’m not sure how much it could’ve done after 1942… Though the Sea Stukas and Me-109G (I think the ‘G’ were the 109’s used on the CV) sure were nice. 8)
For Japan, the CA ‘Kumano’. Just look it up…
Did, but couldn’t find a history or any pics… :-?
Why is Kumano my fave? Well, mainly 'cuz it’s story is practically a microcosm of the Japanese armed forces in WWII–war was hell, & they LOST. Check this out, if you’re game–
http://64.124.221.191/atully04.htm
…long, but I just printed it out & read it at my leisure.
For a pic:
http://64.124.221.191/kumano01.jpg
These are from the WONDERFUL combinedfleet.com website–a must-see for all WWII naval enthusiasts!
Ozone27
@TG:
I agree with Falk! The adventures of the Admiral Graf Spee were a memmorable read(wherever I read it.)
Care to share his history with us? :)
Well it came close to being finished… though I’m not sure how much it could’ve done after 1942… Though the Sea Stukas and Me-109G (I think the ‘G’ were the 109’s used on the CV) sure were nice. 8)
Hm, i know that the Ju87C had the ‘C’ for the use on the Graf Zeppelin. I have not heard which addition the Me109 would have got, but i doubt it would have been ‘G’
For nice pics, see:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ju87c.html
Yes, the Me-109 I was speaking of was the Me-109T, which was the naval variant of the E model.
I’m sorry, but just slapping a tailhook on a Bf109 would not make it a viable carrier plane. The 109 had a light airframe & very strong torque at low airspeeds–not to mention its notoriously weak landing gear arrangement. It was difficult enough to take off & land a Bf109 from land bases–IMO it would be nearly impossible at sea. Upon hitting an arresting wire a 109 would probably just disintegrate–that is if it didn’t flip over onto its back first! The 109 was a buckin’ bronco & would probably have had to have been either completely redesigned or replaced by another aircraft better-suited to naval duty. Perhaps a modified FW190, but probably an all-new design…
JMO
Ozone27
