• –don’t worry, I’ll enjoy handing beatdown to nazis in Hearts of Iron. :wink:

    But until then, I will be smashing through the nazis in PGII. :)


  • heh u can get rid of the nazi gov ealr=y in the game if u play ur cards right. u can make ww2 Demo vs Commie ;)


  • hahaha, communist always win against demos. :wink:


  • um LOL well according to history um ur wrong :P


  • What history?


  • Let’s see the history: ;)
    Russian Civil War: Commies 1 Democrats 0
    German Revolution 1919: Commies 1 Democrats 1
    Chinese (Civil) War: Commies 2 Democrats 1
    Korean War: Commies 3 Democrats 2 (draw)
    Vietnam: Commies 4 Democrats 2
    Cuban Revolution: Commies 5 Democrats 2

    Feel free to add some, esp. struggles in Africa. :D


  • cough Cold war… 5 points to the Democrats


  • i would say that was more some kind of a sudden death :) … but then we need a draw before that anyway ;) :)


  • heh :P


  • Communism = Democracy…


  • o yea its a great game it owns AA i extremly recomend we all get it adn then we can play each othger in multiplayer ;)


  • How are you scoring commies vs. demos?

    Communist Losses:

    S.Korea, Turkey, Greece, Ukraine, Hungary, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czechoslovokia, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Taiwan, Russia, Kazakstan, Georgia, Armenia, Chile, Venezuela, Turkeministan, Azerbajin, Spain, Germany, Romania, Congo, Mongolia, Belorussia, Nicaragua.

    Communist Victories:

    China, N.Korea, Cuba, Vietnam

    How are the commies winning?


  • Communism, is, for now, loosing. But i think it’s inevitable, it’s a step we’ll have to pass someday; just imagine, it’s pure utopy; everyone has equal power (money), the perfect harmony of a society, it would not encourage competition, avidity, not those who are polluting to make better profit. Even if you don’t believe it will work, i think it’s still a noble goal, with strong will we can achieve communism, but i do not believe in the communist revolution, anyway not in the sence of Marx.

    About Cuba, it’s a pretty great victory, they’re doing very well even with the santion by the USA, i’m not saying Castro is clean, but at least not as currupted as Bastista. And Chile failed because of the USA, the CIA does not seem to embrace Democracy when America risk to loose money.


  • @FinsterniS:

    Communism, is, for now, loosing. But i think it’s inevitable, it’s a step we’ll have to pass someday; just imagine, it’s pure utopy; everyone has equal power (money), the perfect harmony of a society, it would not encourage competition, avidity, not those who are polluting to make better profit. Even if you don’t believe it will work, i think it’s still a noble goal, with strong will we can achieve communism, but i do not believe in the communist revolution, anyway not in the sence of Marx.

    About Cuba, it’s a pretty great victory, they’re doing very well even with the santion by the USA, i’m not saying Castro is clean, but at least not as currupted as Bastista. And Chile failed because of the USA, the CIA does not seem to embrace Democracy when America risk to loose money.

    what a joke.
    equal power? just because everyone has equal amounts of one currency (money) does not mean that’s something we should work towards (i see examples of this every day), nor does it mean that its an equal society for everyone as different currencies will arise and the “ruling classes” will be defined by some other currency.
    Competition and profit, like many other things can be excellent motivators or they can work against society. I’m a very competitive person, and i am working towards many profits - monetary, life experience, wisdom, etc.
    And i think there are many Cubans who would quickly disagree with your assessment.


  • just because everyone has equal amounts of one currency (money) does not mean that’s something we should work towards (i see examples of this every day), nor does it mean that its an equal society for everyone as different currencies will arise and the “ruling classes” will be defined by some other currency.

    A pure communist society works without money. It is only that the people each have equal opportunities without economic inequality.

    Competition and profit, like many other things can be excellent motivators or they can work against society. I’m a very competitive person, and i am working towards many profits - monetary, life experience, wisdom, etc.

    There is still competition, though it works more under Associative Competition. For an example of this, look at the Liberty Shipbuilding yards during WWII.

    And i think there are many Cubans who would quickly disagree with your assessment.

    And I don’t think many Cubans live in a Communist Society… :-?

    Communism, is, for now, loosing.

    I’m not so sure about that… :-?

    i do not believe in the communist revolution, anyway not in the sence of Marx.

    Marx believed in different kinds of communist revolution…

    About Cuba, it’s a pretty great victory, they’re doing very well even with the santion by the USA, i’m not saying Castro is clean, but at least not as currupted as Bastista.

    Underneath Cuba is not doing so well. It is very difficult for communism to operate within one country. Also much political censorship exist in Cuba. :-?


  • what a joke.
    equal power? just because everyone has equal amounts of one currency (money) does not mean that’s something we should work towards (i see examples of this every day), nor does it mean that its an equal society for everyone as different currencies will arise and the “ruling classes” will be defined by some other currency.

    It’s still very close, money is power to buy, and in very capitalistic soceity, it’s power to have better lawyer, better medicare, better live, better education. It’s not only injustice, it’s antisocial, the rich have better right.

    Competition and profit, like many other things can be excellent motivators or they can work against society. I’m a very competitive person, and i am working towards many profits - monetary, life experience, wisdom, etc.

    If we could live in a society without competition (it’s not for now), we could maybe live peacefully, without destroying our neibourg. Also Cuba is the best victory of communism for now, it’s not very big, “great” is exagerated, but it’s still better than North Korea and than China, if we can call china a communist country anymore. Anyway, like i find, communism is loosing for now, it’s more in the mind of intellectuals than in pratice.

    Marx believed in different kinds of communist revolution…

    Marc firmly believe that one day, the proletarians will revolt. In his context he was right but we are not living in the same world as he did.

    A pure communist society works without money. It is only that the people each have equal opportunities without economic inequality.

    We are far from the last state of communism…

    I really wonder how well cuba could be without the US embargo…


  • Marc firmly believe that one day, the proletarians will revolt. In his context he was right but we are not living in the same world as he did.

    Marx also strongly believed in countries where democracy was strong, there would be no need to revolt…

    We are far from the last state of communism…

    Capitalism has not yet exhausted its productive efforts.

    I really wonder how well cuba could be without the US embargo…

    Jimmy Carter may not have been a great president, but he ranks among one of the best, most active past-presidents. You could learn a thing or two about him.


  • Jimmy Carter may not have been a great president, but he ranks among one of the best, most active past-presidents. You could learn a thing or two about him.

    I obviously don’t know much about all your president, but i always thought Carter was one of the best.

    About Marx and Democracy, i know he said something like “democracy is the road to communism” or something like that, but 1; he did not believe in the current (in his time) democracy, 2; he thought revolution was inevitable in lots of situation. I don’t want to bash against Marx, the guy is admirable, as Engels, the context was not the same as it is now.


  • @FinsterniS:

    what a joke.
    equal power? just because everyone has equal amounts of one currency (money) does not mean that’s something we should work towards (i see examples of this every day), nor does it mean that its an equal society for everyone as different currencies will arise and the “ruling classes” will be defined by some other currency.

    It’s still very close, money is power to buy, and in very capitalistic soceity, it’s power to have better lawyer, better medicare, better live, better education. It’s not only injustice, it’s antisocial, the rich have better right…

    maybe some rich people have “earned” better rightts. Or is “to earn” an evil infinitive in Europe? Certainly those who have inherited and stolen money are not amoung those (but in a communist society people will obtain power through similar nepotistic/criminal means too) who may be described as earning something, however for the rest of us, i like the idea of working to earn stuff, and those who won’t work well many (not all - the disabled etc.) have made their bed, they may now lie in it. It’s amazing - getting accosted downtown for change 2 blocks from the “Manpower” offices where people can earn $100/day . . . lazy!

    Competition and profit, like many other things can be excellent motivators or they can work against society. I’m a very competitive person, and i am working towards many profits - monetary, life experience, wisdom, etc.

    If we could live in a society without competition (it’s not for now), we could maybe live peacefully, without destroying our neibourg. Also Cuba is the best victory of communism for now, it’s not very big, “great” is exagerated, but it’s still better than North Korea and than China, if we can call china a communist country anymore. Anyway, like i find, communism is loosing for now, it’s more in the mind of intellectuals than in pratice.

    In a capitalist environment i compete against other people all the time. In industry i competed against other reps, other companies. In medical school i compete for cherished residency spots in nice cities with the rest of the Canadian medical student population. Should not the best candidate for that plastics spot get it? Why should i, if i’m not willing wot work for it? Without copmetition all you have is an arbitrary sorting of the brain surgeons from the “monkey workers” (i.e. people who do monkey work). Which do you want working on your brain? For me, i don’t just want some doctor doing operations on my brain, I want THE BEST - the one who worked harder than everyone else, who learned more. Competition - it worked for evolution, it can work in society.


  • 1; he did not believe in the current (in his time) democracy,

    The current form of democracy was not democracy, only the dictatorship of the wealthy. But I do remember, around 1850(?), he had strong anti-democracy feelings, but soon realized that the democratic way to communism would be much better than the revolt of the workers.

    but i always thought Carter was one of the best.

    Being president for him was something a little too much to handle. Still a great man, but not all great men make good presidents.

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