However you choose to look at it - I think it’s safe to say… alot of good soldiers died.
Amen
'God', the Facist
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This is all the German I know
Los Los Los -
Just for the record. No, I’m not a fascist. End of story.
P.S. - Somebody is going to get a lightning bolt up their ass… :evil:
cough Yanny here, I know who you are… false God!
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If I don’t want to think, I should get into a religion? Now that’s pushing it. Take a look at the Jewish book of law, the Talmud. It is much harder than any subject I have ever learned. It requires lots of thinking to learn and can be very difficult to understand. In one year, I have gotten through maybe 4 pages of one tractate of Talmud, and that’s with studying it every day. Religion is not so simple as you think it is.
I know some religion are more complex than other, some are even worthy of attention like buddhism and hinduim. To be honest i know a little about some mythology (German, Celtic, Greek, Roman) and some religion (Christianism, Hinduism, Buddhism) but if there is one religion i know nothing about this is Judaism and i would be very pleased if you can answer some questions to me.
- Is jesus a false prophet or one of many minor prophet ?
- Is there a savior ?
- Is there heaven and hell ?
- Is there good and evil ?
- Is there an apocalypse ?
- Miracle are important ?
- How the jews consider themself in their religion ?
Sure, I’ll do my best but I may not be totally accuratei n all my answers. Looking them up would be best but it would take a while. I’ll try to the best of my ability.
1. Jesus is considered a false prophet in Judaism. In Judaism, there are laws that are used to tell if a prophet is a false prophet or a real prophet and Jesus falls under the category of a false one.
2. I’m not sure what you mean by a saviour. There is a messiah, which is what Christ means in Greek or Latin. It is one of the many Jewish beliefs taken by the Christians. There is a messiah, but he hasn’t arrived yet. In Judaism it is believed that there will be two messiahs, one of which will die. They are humans like the rest of us but are also prophets.
3. There definetely is a heaven, but hell is more difficult to understnad. I believe there are various opinions on Jewish hell, but from what I’ve studied it is believed that hell is simply a stopping point from which your soul is cleansed of its remaining sins before it goes to heaven. Jewish heaven and hell are quite different from Christian and Muslim heaven and hell. You don’t have a body in heaven or hell just the soul, which is more like pure energy. I can’t really describe it very well. It’s a very hard concept to understand.
4. Yes there is good and evil, but Jews believe that people have the free choice to choose whether to be good or evil. I posted how free choice works in an earlier post. Also, in Judaism, we cannot judge others as good or evil for the very reason that we dont know what other people do all the time. Someone can be a good person but bad in his relations to God. This does not mean he will go to hell. He can still go to heaven because relations between human beings come before relations with God. Someoen can be the opposite and still go to heaven as well. The Jewish justice system is even based on the principle of trying to make the accused be found innocent. The Jewish court system works differently than the general court system. I can go into more detail on it later if you like.
5.Yes, there is an apocalypse, but it is quite different frm the Christian apocalypse which has been derived from the Jewish one. In the Jewish apocalypse, the first messiah will die and two thirds of the Jews in the world will die. (One third die in the Holocaust alone). After the Jewish apocalypse, we believe that there will come a time when we will be allowed to serve God and the exile will end. The Roman exile is still occurring today. Judaism also believes that the Non-Jews will always remain, even after the apocalypse. That is a very major difference frm the Christian apocalypse. In the Christian apocalypse, I’m going to hell for not obeying Jesus. In the Jewish apocalypse, all the nations of the world will remain, the anti-semitism will simple fade away. People will also still die after the apocalypse and life will continue as it does today. It simply recognizes the beginning of the time when the Jews can serve God in peace without being attacked by anymore people like Hitler.
6. Mircales are important in our religion in order to rembmer what happened in the past and learn from them. The miracle of the victory against the Seleucid Empire and the lasting of the precious oil in the temple that the Seleucids tried to destroyed became a holiday called Chanukkah. The Seleucids left only a jug of oil that could last for a day but it miraculously lasted for 8 days. These miracles remind us that God, even when he punishes us, always saves us in the end. In fact, there is a reading done on the Jewish holiday of Passover called in Hebrew “Vehi She’amda”. It talks about how we thank God that in every generation someone tries to kill us off, but God saves us from being destroyed.
7. WE see ourselves n our religion in a way that seems racist to people who don’t understand the religion and simply want to criticize us. WE see ourselves as the “Chosen People” but that doesn’t mean we think we are superior in anyway. In Judaism, as the Chosen People, our job is to spread the teachings of God to the world. This does not mean missiionary work. That is against Judaism. All it means is showing the Non-Jews some of the best parts of our beliefs so that they may use them if they wish. Remember, Judaism was the first religion to have things such as a justice system, which the non-Jews eventually adapted. The Chosen People means we are on a different spiritual level than the Non-Jews. It doesn’t make us better in any way, all it does is really make our life much harder. It means we are judged differently. As a Jew, I have 613 basic fundamental laws that I have to obey while the most any Non-Jew really should obey according to Judaism are the 7 of the Noahide Laws. WE do not believe we are better in any way, we simply have to spread monotheism to the world by showing what is good about it. Nothing more. Life as a Jew is much harder than life as a non-Jew. I cannot eat foods such as pork, shrimpo, lobster or jellyfish. I also have many others rules I have to obey. As a Non-Jew, life is much more fun. You guys can do anything you like without being bound by so many laws.
I hoped I answered your questions adequately. I barely scratched the surface, though, because there are many more discussions on many subjects in Judaism, especially the last question you asked me. I can recommend further readings if you like. If you study Judaism, I think your views on religion might just change a little.
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By the way, was my translation of the German at all correct?
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4. Yes there is good and evil, but Jews believe that people have the free choice to choose whether to be good or evil.
I don’t believe there in good or evil so i will certainly not choose :)
7. WE see ourselves n our religion in a way that seems racist to people who don’t understand the religion and simply want to criticize us. WE see ourselves as the “Chosen People” but that doesn’t mean we think we are superior in anyway. In Judaism, as the Chosen People, our job is to spread the teachings of God to the world.
… i think this is a little arrogant, like most religion (exept buddhism)
This does not mean missiionary work.
Good thing ! Missionaire are making so much problem to “save” people.
Remember, Judaism was the first religion to have things such as a justice system, which the non-Jews eventually adapted.
hey wow, don’t forget Hinduism ! Quite older and there was a justice system (well, it still depent on your definition of a justice system).
The Chosen People means we are on a different spiritual level than the Non-Jews. It doesn’t make us better in any way, all it does is really make our life much harder. It means we are judged differently.
I don’t like the “different”… every human are human, and human are animal. A jew is my comrade in life as much as a chinese.
As a Jew, I have 613 basic fundamental laws that I have to obey while the most any Non-Jew really should obey according to Judaism are the 7 of the Noahide Laws. WE do not believe we are better in any way, we simply have to spread monotheism to the world by showing what is good about it.
You will have to admit that without monotheism they would not have so much religious war…
Nothing more. Life as a Jew is much harder than life as a non-Jew. I cannot eat foods such as pork, shrimpo, lobster or jellyfish. I also have many others rules I have to obey. As a Non-Jew, life is much more fun. You guys can do anything you like without being bound by so many laws.
I don’t want to make fun of your religion, but it always (well, since i am an atheis) make me laugh how much people WANT (really) to suffer for mythological being, the jews, the christians, the shinto.
I hoped I answered your questions adequately. I barely scratched the surface, though, because there are many more discussions on many subjects in Judaism, especially the last question you asked me. I can recommend further readings if you like. If you study Judaism, I think your views on religion might just change a little.
I have respect for some religion like Hinduism and Buddhism, but i still think they will eventually disappear like all religion… but it will take LOTS of time. At least atheism is growing in university; it’s a start :) . And even if judaism does not seem as bad as christianism, i do not think i’ll like it much if there is a god i cannot “see” with my reason. But i will read about it, this is an important religion, the father of two important religion.
Thank you very much for answering so well even to a sinners :)
3 other questions if you have the time/patience…
1; Does animal go to heaven ?
2; Is logic an important thing in judaism ?
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According to the Christian Religion, Animals don’t go to Heavan. Humans are special.
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Animals have just as much right to life as any human does.
I would take my friends dogs life over and human life in the middle east and never lose sleep over it.
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Yanny i have a solution for u! QUIT Boscouts and Join the Hitler Youth!
JKING Join C.A.P. Civil Air Patrol! its fun there not Racist or Religeous biased u get to fly planes and Camp aswell. it is also better on college applications and ect. and we get to go to Army/AitForcebases and all that crap u evern get special privleges in bases that reg civillians do not get ;)
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Um… no
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eh u C A P biggot ;)
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I don’t know about you guys in the East, but here, Boy Scouts really doesn’t have much to do with religion (Christian religion or otherwise). The Scout leaders might mention God or moral codes, irrelevant mostly, but I’ve never of any stories of people being coerced into doing missionary working, going to Sunday Church, or actually being denied promotion due to religion. Seems pretty discriminate to me.
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Problem is, I live in a town 80% Catholic, half of those hardcore Catholics.
Also, my leaders are complete assholes.
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Ahhhh… sucks to be you.
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@TG:
…or actually being denied promotion due to religion. Seems pretty discriminate to me.
The BSA is a private organization and can do as they please. They have the right to do this, just as they have been shown to have the right to not allow homosexual leaders.
It is good to see that organizations still exist which maintain and defend what they stand for.
You stand behind an organization that discriminates against a particular part of society?
Do they not allow black leaders as well?
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Of course they have the right to deny black leaders. They SHOULD have the right to.
We may not agree with it, but, as we too allow the KKK, everyone has the right to their own opinion.
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Let me get this straight:
Agnostic = homosexual?
Who’s morality, who’s religion?Of course they have the right to deny black leaders. They SHOULD have the right to.
Hmmmm… it would seem under Civil Rights Amendments, Non-Discriminatory Polices, and Affirmative Action that they don’t.
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@Deviant:Scripter:
Of course they have the right to deny black leaders. They SHOULD have the right to.
We may not agree with it, but, as we too allow the KKK, everyone has the right to their own opinion.
How about a Jewish leader?
They can deny them too?Is it me …does this sound Hitler-ish to anyone or am I just dumb?
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This kind of goes to some “private golf courses”.
The membership decides who is allowed to be a member. Although it is distasteful that they would discriminate against allowing someone to join their club due to color, race, religion, etc. at the same time, the nature of the private club makes it a reality.
For example - “Italian sporting clubs” are private clubs that i’m guessing are not rushing to give blanket membership to. One has to apply and fulfill certain criteria, and then the club chooses whether or not to allow you access. If this was a public organization, then there would be virtually no criteria as this would attract cries of discrimination and lawsuits faster than one could blink.
I don’t think that anyone would argue that the Scouts should discriminate against people. At the same time, there does seem to be an argument for the Scouts to allow whomever they deem appropriate - given their “private club” status. Once the Scouts lose this status and ability, then i’m going to sue Hugh Hefner for discriminating against me ability to attend his partys :wink:
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