@buttersurge
Nice work. Any info on the scenario set up or homebrew rules?
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KNP,
I understand what you’re saying concerning the voting numbers, but perhaps I might point out a few things:
1. Yes, the “Alaska” netted more votes than the LCVP “Higgens Boat”,…but the LCVP wasn’t in the voting from the very start and IMHO we just HAVE TO HAVE a “Higgens Boat” made.
2. IMHO the LCM should without question be DROPPED from this 1st Set.
3. The “Independance” Light Carrier I want (which didn’t make the semi-final list) garnered more votes than did the “South Dakota” Battleship which is included in the semi-final list. BUT the “Coach” explained that he wanted this 1st Set to be as VERSATILE as possible and have as many different ship types as possible. And I’m TOTALLY HAPPY with that, especially if it gets this 1st Set produced.
4. If you look at the semi-final list, each of the ship types offer us a new CAPABILITY or MORE DEPTH of gameplay. IMHO the ships that offer us the least are the LCM and the “Alaska” BattleCruiser. I hope this helps everyone to understand the "Coach’s decisions.
@Tall:
This would be my list:
@coachofmany:
Montana Class Heavy Battleship
Essex Class Heavy Carrier
Oiler
Light Cruiser
Destroyer Escort
LCVP Higgins Boat
LST
South Dakota Class Battleship
PBY Recon Aircraft
B-29
PT Boat
Anti-aircraft Cruiser (Atlanta class)“Tall Paul”
We’ll just have to wait for the 2nd Set to get some more of the other units that would really increase our gameplay capabilities.
“Coach”, Thanks for all of your time and hard work so far on this “extra” project".
“Tall Paul”
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Honestly I think a battlecruiser would be more used than 2 different light cruisers. No matter the historic value of the units, we have to be able to put them in a game. Even the LCM LCVM will only fit in the smaller games such as DDay and even the Okinawa game I’ve made.
I was thinking we could also drop the B29 and keep a ship! I’m sure coach will make another set and include the b29 -
In relation to coachofmany’s list, and the need to drop two units, I would definitely cut the LCM. Although I would keep the LST without a doubt, the LCVP seems a little below the scale of combat in the series of AAA games we have to date (or any existing boardgame of which I can think). There seems to be quite some demand here for this unit, but I personally do not see a role for it, as I would prefer to just ‘abstract’ the actual beach landing. Maybe my gaming preferences just differ from those of others in this regard.
Also, I would include a CA instead of a CL in the set, in light of the inclusion of the Atlanta-class CLAA. I know that FMG is already producing a Wichita-class CA, but that unit is, of course, a one-off class and I would like to see some CA variety in these sets. There were also more votes for a new CA than CL. Coachofmany - regardless of whether a CA or CL is included in your set, will you accept input from the community (via a second poll) as to the specific sculpt choice?
As well, I would place an pre-order for two more supplementary naval sets if I could combine them into my present pre-order without paying extra shipping.
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The Out of Box unit is a Haeavy Cruiser (Portland) and FMG is doing a Heavy Cruiser.
Why would you want another Heavy Cruiser and no light Cruiser?I will always poll and see what the AAA community wants but….I also make decesions based on game that I am producing and variety that can be used now. As more sets are produced, then we can start adding more classes to the sam type of ship. IMHO
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@ Coachofmany - Thank you for reply. I do understand your reasoning, and I would not at all be adverse to a new CL sculpt. :wink: However, with FMG producing a single-ship class (one of the few FMG sculpt choices with which I would disagree), and with so many other iconic US CA’s left unproduced, I would subjectively prefer to see a New Orleans or Baltimore over a Cleveland, Brooklyn, or Omaha. I would personally just use the Atlanta to represent a conventional CL at this scale.
I didn’t consider the OOB ‘Portland’ representation in my post, as I intend never to use the poor-quality OOB pieces after having receiving full sets of FMG and HBG units. I believe I am not the only one who will cease using them, based on other community posts.
As well, regarding my earlier inquiry, is there any way for me to add two more pre-order US supplementary naval sets to my current pre-order?
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Yes,
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I agree, I do want to do a Baltimore class CA.
Why wouldn’t you?
The OOB choices are terrible and maybe FMG will change their mind.
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Coach, I am in for that as well, keep the Light CL and send the Atlanta off to set number 2. I am correct in sensing that you are going to utilize these in a future Pacific theatre game other than your current Pear Harbor game you are working on?
FMG, is there special reason you chose the CA 45 USS Wichita class which only one was built? Instead of choosing a Class with more than 5 each CAs produced such as the New Orleans, Baltimore or Northampton Classes of WWII Heavy Cruisers.
Just wondering
Now, for you gents who are opposed to using OOB Cruisers, if you are savy with a paint brush and Xacto Knife you can make them look really presentable as I have over the years.
WARRIOR888
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I chose the Baltimore Class for the Heavy and Brooklyn Class for the light Cruiser.
They are both very distinguishable from each other and also widely used.
They are in good scale to one another also!
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Warrior and everyone,
Tigerman and I are working on our Expanded A&A–The Solomons Campaign and it hopefully will be an worthwhile arena to showcase all of these new ship, aircraft, and land unit types. We’re planning for it to cover the Solomon Islands chain from the Admiralties in the North to New Caledonia in the South and be the size of an entire G-40 map.
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In all of my opinions I was keeping in mind not only this new game, but everyone’s gaming experience. The ship types I was in favor of were mostly because of the
NEW CAPABILITIES that they would add to our gameplay,…such as PBY Seaplanes, PT Boats, Oilers, LSTs, Minelayers, A/A Cruisers, etc.IMHO I felt the “Atlanta” CLAA Cruisers added to the A/A defense of our Naval Task Forces, not that they were simply “historically correct”. And I still think we really need the LCVP “Higgens Boat” and LST. I was also in favor of dropping the B-29 from this “Naval Set” for another ship type but the “Coach” decided in favor of keeping this very popular unit.
I’m sure that we will ALL be happy with what ends up in this 1st Naval Set, and will look forward to having a 2nd Naval Set also in the near future.
Everyone should express their opinions but also be mindful of the “Coach’s” guildlines for inclusion in this 1st Naval Set.
Basically, which 12 units of the 14 listed would you like in this 1st Naval Set???
“Tall Paul”
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“Coach”,
Would it be possible to have another “Voting Poll” for 12 of your 14 Finalists?
@coachofmany:
These are my choices.(need to trim two of them)
We are at 31% of funds needed to start sculpting.“Montana” class Heavy Battleship
“Essex” class Heavy Carrier
Oiler
“Brooklyn” class Light Cruiser
Destroyer Escort
LCM
LCVP “Higgins Boat”
LST
“South Dakota” class Battleship
PBY Recon Aircraft
B-29
“Alaska” class Battlecruiser
PT Boat
“Atlanta class” Anti-Aircraft Light Cruiser“Tall Paul”
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I chose the Baltimore Class for the Heavy and Brooklyn Class for the light Cruiser.
They are both very distinguishable from each other and also widely used.
They are in good scale to one another also!
Just my thoughts.Coach, i like the idea of these two Cruisers. Both where large classes and used in both theatres op operations.
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“Coach”,
If you decide to substitute the “Baltimore” class CA for the “Atlanta” class CLAA on your semi-final list,…
@coachofmany:
I agree, I do want to do a Baltimore class CA.
I agree that the CL should stay and AA CL go away, at least in the first set.I would like to agree with Tigerman’s suggestion of substituting the “Independance” class CVL(Got 20 votes) for the B-29(got 17 votes) or something else.
NOw that I have read other posts I think the independence cvl should replace one of the light cruisers or the B29.
I was thinking we could also drop the B29 and keep a ship! I’m sure coach will make another set and include the b29
The “Casablanca” CVE in your US Supplement Set would base ONE aircraft.
The “Independance” CVL would base TWO aircraft.
The “Essex” CV would base THREE aircraft.So you can see that it would be “different” enough in gameplay terms for inclusion.
The “new” semi-final list might look like this:
@coachofmany:
These are my choices.(need to trim two of them)
We are at 31% of funds needed to start sculpting.“Montana” class Heavy Battleship
“Essex” class Heavy Carrier
Oiler
“Brooklyn” class Light Cruiser
Destroyer Escort
LCM
LCVP “Higgins Boat”
LST
“South Dakota” class Battleship
PBY Recon Aircraft
“Independance” class CVL *Replacing the B-29
“Alaska” class Battlecruiser
PT Boat
“Baltimore” class Heavy Cruiser *Replacing the “Atlanta” Anti-Aircraft Light CruiserWhat does everyone think about this???
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The:
Casablanca class: One Aircraft
OOB Wasp: 2
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Ok, so how many acft will a Independence light carrier field since a CVE carries one and OOB Wasp carries two?
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Ok, so how many acft will a Independence light carrier field since a CVE carries one and OOB Wasp carries two?
How many different types if carriers do we really need guys?
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Coach, I am asking a question, if one had an Independence class CVL not asking you to produce one. A CVE carried a smaller air wing then a CVL and air wings increased in size up to your fleet Essex carriers. So I just was wondering if we had them what amount of aircraft would you suggest for a CVL? Reason, I have converted 9 other models to Independence CVLs along time ago and figured they would carry 2 aircraft each. Units I am refering to are original AA CVs from the first games produced. Would like your thoughts and others on this.
Cheers
WARRIOR888
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Coach, I am asking a question, if one had an Independence class CVL not asking you to produce one. A CVE carried a smaller air wing then a CVL and air wings increased in size up to your fleet Essex carriers. So I just was wondering if we had them what amount of aircraft would you suggest for a CVL? Reason, I have converted 9 other models to Independence CVLs along time ago and figured they would carry 2 aircraft each. Units I am refering to are original AA CVs from the first games produced. Would like your thoughts and others on this.
Cheers
WARRIOR888
Casablanca Class: 28 Aircraft, 7,800 tons (1/3 of all WW2 Carriers were this class)
Independence Class: 33 Aircraft, 11,000 tons
Wasp Class (OOB): 90-100 Aircraft, 14,700 tons (AAA piece will only hold 2 planes)
Essex Class, 90-100 Aircraft, 33,000 tons
Midway Class, 130 Aircraft, 45,000 tonsSo…
Casablanca & Independence Class = 1 plane, 1 hit
Wasp, Enterprise (FMG) = 2 planes, 2 hits
Essex = 3 planes, 3 hits
Midway = 3 planes, 4 hits???
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Coach, Thank you for the quick reply. That is interesting facts about the Casablanca and the the Independence class carriers. So Independence was only 9 CVLs converted cruisers, but the Casablanca class was a class of 50 purpose built CVEs. So based on this I can see your decision and support it 100 percent. As shown below it was a large class of CVEs.
By hull number
(CVE-55) Casablanca
(CVE-56) Liscome Bay
(CVE-57) Coral Sea/Anzio
(CVE-58) Corregidor
(CVE-59) Mission Bay
(CVE-60) Guadalcanal
(CVE-61) Manila Bay
(CVE-62) Natoma Bay
(CVE-63) Midway/St. Lo
(CVE-64) Tripoli
(CVE-65) Wake Island
(CVE-66) White Plains
(CVE-67) Solomons
(CVE-68) Kalinin Bay
(CVE-69) Kasaan Bay
(CVE-70) Fanshaw Bay
(CVE-71) Kitkun Bay
(CVE-72) Tulagi
(CVE-73) Gambier Bay
(CVE-74) Nehenta Bay
(CVE-75) Hoggatt Bay
(CVE-76) Kadasahan Bay
(CVE-77) Marcus Island
(CVE-78) Savo Island
(CVE-79) Ommaney Bay
(CVE-80) Petrof Bay
(CVE-81) Rudyerd Bay
(CVE-82) Saginaw Bay
(CVE-83) Sargent Bay
(CVE-84) Shamrock Bay
(CVE-85) Shipley Bay
(CVE-86) Sitkoh Bay
(CVE-87) Steamer Bay
(CVE-88) Cape Esperance
(CVE-89) Takanis Bay
(CVE-90) Thetis Bay
(CVE-91) Makassar Strait
(CVE-92) Windham Bay
(CVE-93) Makin Island
(CVE-94) Lunga Point
(CVE-95) Bismarck Sea
(CVE-96) Salamaua
(CVE-97) Hollandia
(CVE-98) Kwajalein
(CVE-99) Admiralty Islands
(CVE-100) Bougainville
(CVE-101) Matanikau
(CVE-102) Attu
(CVE-103) Roi
(CVE-104) MundaWARRIOR888
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@coachofmany:
Ok, so how many acft will a Independence light carrier field since a CVE carries one and OOB Wasp carries two?
How many different types if carriers do we really need guys?
C’mon!I think alot of people arent going to use the OOB pieces once HBG and FMG pieces are out and in force. So alot of guys arent going to use the OOb wasp….I know Im not! Just saying!!
Also if we are gonna use OOb pieces then why would we want to make another Heavy Cruiser. Whay not the Alaska which was classified as a Large Cruiser. We are looking for different pieces, but I don’t think people really want 3 different heavy cruisers…I know I don’t! Brooklyn class for light is a no brainer!
If you did make the Independence CVL then you could have
Casablanca CVE- 1 plane
Independence CVL- 2 planes
Wasp CV - 3 planes
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Ummm…HBG’s and FMG’s ship molds are not going to be earthshattering and miles better than OOB. It’s hard to depict lots of detail on a ship, and from what I have seen of FMG’s ships they are roughly similar, maybe slightly better in detail, but inferior in mold quality to OOB ships.
Besides, how much detail can you put on a carrier? Flat top, island on one side = done. You can minor things like elevator lines, etc but it will look pretty much the same to OOB.
Let’s be happy with the expanded list of units we have available, and with the great detail we now have on land units. I wouldn’t expect too much in terms of amazing detail on ships, though.
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