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Holland rules are a mess

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Holland rules are very difficult to understand. I hope they get fixed along with everything else. 1 of the Russian national advantages means the games is already over so it’s superfluous.

I hope you keep the game like it is now where Germany/Italy don’t have to attack UK/France/Poland/etc. for the first few turns, but I doubt that was the intent of the designers. It’s a lot of fun seeing France as tough as Germany on the Western front in those scenarios.
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Another possible solution could arise if the map is ever redrawn. Please note that I am not suggesting the map be redrawn just to solve this problem.

However if the map does get changed at any point I suggest splitting Reims into two separate territories. The northern territory would border Holland and the southern territory would border West Germany and Bavaria. Then you could increase the fortifications for the southern territory. This would seem to be the most elegant solution.

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I do have a quick question for the creators brought up while discussing the minor axis powers in another thread:

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