A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
All these AARs; why don't you mention the French units?
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@UN:
UN, Italy should take Bulgaria to get 4 inf to take Greece I2.
That’s entirely up to the German and Italian players to decide who gets Bulgaria.
Anyway, in our current game, France is down to 3 inf(UK, Sudan[came from West Africa], Morocco[facing an Italian inf in Algeria] and the Madagascar DD in Z39[will die on Japan’s turn]). In 2-3 turns, I bet the UK inf and maybe the Sudan inf will be the only French units alive(since Sudan will likely no be taken by Italy for a while
French player didn’t consolidate the North African infantry in Algeria? That’s smart. That should happen irregardless of whether Italy decides to take Tunis on its first turn or not. Honestly, the Italian player should throw everything its got at the Brits first; they’re a much bigger threat than leaderless French infantry. Of course, this is coming from a conservative player; I try not to try to do everything at once in my first turn as an Axis player. As Germany, I either invade Britain or the USSR, not both; I’ll use the Luftwaffe either to better defeat the Allied armies in France or take out the British navy, not both. That also means that, more or less, the Axis need to decide whether they want to dominate the Atlantic or the Med. Not, initially, both.
Britain tried a Taranto raid and failed, losing a DD, CA, and tac, while just damaging the Italian BB. Italy had 2 transports, so it used one to take Algeria and took Tunis with the Libyan inf.
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Here is our game position after R4:
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UN, when are you going to make that “Why people underestimate the French” thread?
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UN, when are you going to make that “Why people underestimate the French” thread?
Meh, maybe sometime. It’s not that they’re a real gamebreaker or anything. The most effective they can be is to be a thorn in the side for Italy with its three North African infantry (assuming Italy doesn’t attack Tunisia), while defending the Brit fleet in the Med, or even attacking the Italian fleet if given the chance while the Madagascar destroyer defends the Red Sea (or joins up with the Med fleet in Europe 1940). I think once Paris is liberated is when it really begins to become a serious threat again.
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Here is our game position after R4:
Western Europe is virtually undefended? Are the Allies ever going to try to push into China?
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@UN:
Here is our game position after R4:
Western Europe is virtually undefended? Are the Allies ever going to try to push into China?
Well, there are so far no transports in range.
As for China, where do we push from? There are 2 options: India or Russia. Russia can send a few units, but need to focus on Germany. India is making 5 ipcs/tun. The 12 inf in Burma will be decimated if they get too close to Japanese air force -
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UN, when are you going to make that “Why people underestimate the French” thread?
We dont, and that’s why no french units survive T1. We dont want a french can-opener, so we just kill them as soon as possible.
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UN, when are you going to make that “Why people underestimate the French” thread?
We dont, and that’s why no french units survive T1. We dont want a french can-opener, so we just kill them as soon as possible.
UK inf will survive unless Germany decides to lose 5-6 planes strafing England. French West African inf and Madagascar DD will survive. Morocco inf will usually survive. If Taranto goes well, either the Syria inf or the Algerian inf will survive.
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UN, when are you going to make that “Why people underestimate the French” thread?
We dont, and that’s why no french units survive T1. We dont want a french can-opener, so we just kill them as soon as possible.
UK inf will survive unless Germany decides to lose 5-6 planes strafing England. French West African inf and Madagascar DD will survive. Morocco inf will usually survive. If Taranto goes well, either the Syria inf or the Algerian inf will survive.
I really don’t think it’s right to use “will”, as though it’s set in stone that the French Med fleet won’t be saved, or the Italian player will always invade Tunisia. Out of the five Global games I’ve played, Italy has focused everything on Egypt first before whipping around to wipe the floor with the French in North Africa.
That’s what I’ll probably make a thread of, actually: the concept of chaos theory and Axis strategy instead of “this WILL happen” or “they WON’T survive”.
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@UN:
UN, when are you going to make that “Why people underestimate the French” thread?
We dont, and that’s why no french units survive T1. We dont want a french can-opener, so we just kill them as soon as possible.
UK inf will survive unless Germany decides to lose 5-6 planes strafing England. French West African inf and Madagascar DD will survive. Morocco inf will usually survive. If Taranto goes well, either the Syria inf or the Algerian inf will survive.
I really don’t think it’s right to use “will”, as though it’s set in stone that the French Med fleet won’t be saved, or the Italian player will always invade Tunisia. Out of the five Global games I’ve played, Italy has focused everything on Egypt first before whipping around to wipe the floor with the French in North Africa.
That’s what I’ll probably make a thread of, actually: the concept of chaos theory and Axis strategy instead of “this WILL happen” or “they WON’T survive”.
Well, if Germany doesn’t strafe England, there’s no way that inf won’t survive. The West African inf can’t be attacked either so will survive. Mad DD will survive as nothing can reach it. I never said the Med fleet won’t survive. If Taranto goes smoothly, the French spips will die only if Italy decided to strafe them and then finish the carrier off with Germany
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One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.
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One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.
That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB will lose
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One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.
That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose
Fixed. :roll:
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@UN:
One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.
That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose
Fixed. :roll:
No, “might” implies they have a small chance of winning. The correct phrase is
“The DD might win”
“The BB will likely win” -
@UN:
One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.
That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose
Fixed. :roll:
No, “might” implies they have a small chance of winning. The correct phrase is
“The DD might win”
“The BB will likely win”I don’t have time for your Anglo-Saxon language nonsense!
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@UN:
@UN:
One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.
That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose
Fixed. :roll:
No, “might” implies they have a small chance of winning. The correct phrase is
“The DD might win”
“The BB will likely win”I don’t have time for your Anglo-Saxon language nonsense!
Well, if you’re going to speak English, you should try to use the words properly. Otherwise, it would be like if I said: J’ai visité ma famille.
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@UN:
@UN:
One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.
That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose
Fixed. :roll:
No, “might” implies they have a small chance of winning. The correct phrase is
“The DD might win”
“The BB will likely win”I don’t have time for your Anglo-Saxon language nonsense!
Well, if you’re going to speak English, you should try to use the words properly. Otherwise, it would be like if I said: J’ai visité ma famille.
Yes, let’s speak French on a Anglo-Saxon dominated forum.
I find your lack of logic disturbing.
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@UN:
@UN:
@UN:
One game I was able to use an ANZAC fighter and a French destroyer to kill a Japanese battleship on the Indian coast. It was pretty sweet, I lost both the fighter and the destroyer but the one-two punch was able to knock the battleship out.
That was luck. 1 DD vs a damaged BB might lose
Fixed. :roll:
No, “might” implies they have a small chance of winning. The correct phrase is
“The DD might win”
“The BB will likely win”I don’t have time for your Anglo-Saxon language nonsense!
Well, if you’re going to speak English, you should try to use the words properly. Otherwise, it would be like if I said: J’ai visité ma famille.
Yes, let’s speak French on a Anglo-Saxon dominated forum.
I find your lack of logic disturbing.
I think you missed my point
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I think we all missed the point
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