@Imperious:
The war starts when China and her drywall fleet of garbage and ex Soviet mothballed carrier try to take Formosa.
I don’t think this is in the realm of possibility without China first dealing with their infrastructure problem, their ethnic identity problems, their economic stagnation, and the very real threat of trying to keep all information censured so their growing middle/ western educated class doesn’t start asking too many uncomfortable questions…among other things.
I’ll wait for it to come out on video. I am not a big Chris Kyle fan and I’m sure the movie is as embellished, or more so, than the book. Time will tell for me.
It’ll be hard to watch knowing how big of a liar Chris Kyle was…
@Young:
This post is not meant to be political in any way.
ISIS & ALLIES
A Modern Take On A Classic Board Game!Extremists threaten the globe!
Lead the coalition forces of Iraq, Syria, the Peshmerga, and Hezbollah into battle!
Or rally foreign fighters to join the cause of Islamic State!
As the coalition, order US airstrikes.
As ISIS, win the war on the internet to radicalize the West.Change the course of history… as it’s being made!
What do think? It could happen, right?
Anything can translate into a board game, but sometimes you just gotta wait a few years while things blow over, and this idea might be one of those times.
Obviously, in real life this would have to be done way after the events, to avoid it being called pro-ISIS or offending ISIS or anything. It’s one thing to make board games featuring Nazis or Soviets, another to make one featuring terrorist groups. You’d have to do it carefully.
Will it be made? Probably not. Could it? Yes.
I’m not censoring anything for those douche bags…both Daesh or the PC crowd. F*ck em!
Don’t worry though, it won’t be long before US combat soldiers find their way back over there going “weapons free”. If that happens, the game wouldn’t be terribly interesting since it would be unbalanced and a seperate game dedicated to counter insurgency and wide area security probably wouldn’t sell too well either.
@aequitas:
@ABWorsham:
@wittmann:
RedLeg: do ISIS really have T55s and T62s and Artillery?
Yes, they have heavy weapons.
wich scale? 1:35?
Only in Tamiya or Dragon brands. If you want anything else it has to be in 1/72nd…
@JWW:
Because that is so easy to do over there�.
What is so easy to do over there?
it’s not like there isn’t any national interest over there either.
what political interest are you referring? Please don’t say oil�.we currently don’t import any from the middle east…so gas prices world wide would rise�we are currently paying craizy money per day just to bomb the savages now�there isn’t a justifiable fiscal comparison to be made and this doesn’t even take into account the human, american toll such action would have.
We all know isolationism works, just put our heads in the sand�
I don’t believe I advocated that�Perhaps this later point wasn’t clear�.Kill everyone, salt the earth?
while true evil prevails, because good men with the right equipment will do nothing…
It sounds like in your estimation, only “good men” can be found in this country? I don’t agree. There should be good Turks, Saudi’s, Egyptians, Iraqi’s, Jordanians etc�etc…They certainly have the equipment. We bought it for them and gave it to them already.
Utilizing your logic, there shouldn’t be any place in the world where we should not intervene militarily to thwart evil�…This argument is naive and this objective unachievable.
Most middle eastern militaries cannot force project at all. Not to mention how fragile any alliance would be without either the UN or another coalition of the willing to keep everyones eyes on the ball. They lack adequate training and there would be too many conflicting agendas if left to their own devices.
We helped create this mess. We need to help clean it up. It isn’t going away any time soon and there is a very real potential for there to be “splash effect” if we don’t.
The “so easy” comment was about the extermination bit. What you are advocating is genocide. We are supposed to be the good guys, remember. The problem is much more complicated than you are making it out to be and it will require coordination, leadership, and a clear understanding of the ins and outs of the areas. We have been successful at this before with AQI in al anbar circa 2006-2007, the same can be done now. Trust me, veterans of that war are chomping at the bit to right this wrong….myself included.
@JWW:
I say let the middle east burn itself to the ground�That part of the world, the people, the religion, their societies, their culture cannot be saved by anyone but themselves�…
I say we stop having our people rush into that burning building�.
And if some remnant of a society emerges over there, great, if it happens to be the religious nuts that want to live in the 10th century and force their societies to live in the middle ages, so be it�.the people in that part of the world get what they sow�.
And if this 12th century, islamic fundamentalist backwards society emerges from the ashes and attacks any democratic modern nation�.for any reason, including jihad etc�.well then we do what the Romans did to the Carthaginians. Kill everything, salt the earth�Job done
Because that is so easy to do over there….and it’s not like there isn’t any national interest over there either. We all know isolationism works, just put our heads in the sand…while true evil prevails, because good men with the right equipment will do nothing…doesn’t sound very American to me…but in practice it so is…
I prefer to try and think about what one modern US armored brigade could do in WWII on the Western front. With all its attachments….
Sometimes some wall to wall, wall to floor counseling is in order for knuckleheads. But there are many ways to motivate soldiers and in my mind the best way to do that is to be out in front of them. Taking the same risks, sleeping in the same mud, showing you know what you are doing. Simply giving a crap about the subordinates, and them knowing it, will breed quite a lot of loyalty and trust. Of course, a corporal in wellingtons army would never be given the responsibility that corporal today has….unless you are one of Sharpe’s men of course!
Maybe back then they did…today, if your men fear you then you will just get fragged. NCOs on the other hand…yeah, joes should fear them…
You just learn to accept it and try to salvage what you can. Hope for the best and plan for the worst.
There is such a thing as rushing to failure…I honestly would prefer more time to give guys like me more time to prepare and train…rushing over their, letting our emotions drive us and then lead to failure would be exponentially worse than creating a solid plan, mobilizing the needed forces, establishing lasting alliances, and ensuring proper funding and support so the slaughter can come to a stop in full. If it sounds cold and calculated, it is…it also saves lives.
I am in the US Army and have been for 13 years…I have many friends at many military posts…and lots of orders are showing up saying “somewhere in CENTCOM”.
I recieved similar orders stating the same such words in January of 2003…
A word of advice too, the more the politicians deny something, the more likely it is going to happen. Look for the narrative to start to change about boots on the ground (it already has to an extent)…once everyone is nice and comfy in their new, or old, political offices about 15 Nov, you will see a much more aggressive call to action. You’ll see.
Several hundred of them….let’s put it this way, Syria was considered one of the most formidable militaries in the Middle East whom all her neighbors grew to respect, including Israel. ISIS is beating them…and then stealing their equipment to push into Iraq. The Kurds are also having a hard time with them…who are very capable fighters. Their leadership fought the US and UK…modern militaries, for a decade then their rank and file got 3 years hard combat experience in Syria…
Stukas wouldn’t get near them since they can’t jam the strela anti aircraft missiles ISIS has in abundance. They are holding up anyways against the US Air Force…where one squadron of F-15s could knock out the entire WWII Luftwaffe. Again, AK47s, RPKs, PKCs, DSHKs, RPGs at the squad level…I’m sorry fellows, but even the worst equipment ISIS has is at least 2 generations ahead of anything the Germans had…AND they are motivated to fight and are combat hardened from over a decade at war… I don’t think this is really even a contest…
Careful with nostalgia, it is more powerful the longer you have it.
Friendly fire isn’t
Never be in a fighting position with anyone braver than you
Never run when you can walk, never walk when you can stand, never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lay down, never lay down when you can sleep
Light infantry is anything but light
Field Artillery, the King of Battle, we put the balls where the Queen wants them….we also keep her from getting raped
When everything is going right, you are about to be hit in the flank
When carrying a full combat load, ounces equal pounds, pounds equal discarded
One is none, two is one
No plan survives first contact
Fight the enemy, not the plan
Peace through superior firepower
Soldiers always gripe, if they don’t, something is wrong
Considering the number of the relatively weak RPG7s ISIS has access to and the fact they can destroy ANY armored vehicle from WW2… I would say ISIS. Not to mention the more advanced systems they have at their disposal in manpads and ATGMs…mince meet. Plus they have numerous T55s and T62s which, again, would make mince meet out of even the Jagdtiger.
Plus all the ISIS fighters are armed with assault rifles… And they have ample mortar and arty support. Better comms since they all seem to have radios which allows for better co-ordination of operations… I don’t even think it is a contest.
It is a matter of time before western soldiers start doing offensive operations… I imagine the US is going to wait until after the poll results comein next month…
There is movement…that’s all I can say…
A three state solution will only create more problems in the region. They won’t really be states anyways, they will be proxies for their more powerful neighbors.(aside from the Kurds). A sunni state will be backed by the Saudi’s and their kinsman around the arabian peninsula. The shia portion would be backed by the Iranian’s and likely Assad if he wins the civil war there. The Kurds, will be marginalized by all sides because they are a large demographic in all these surrounding countries and an independence movement on their part would cause problems in Iran, Turkey, and Syria because they have large minorities of this ethnic group. It would also cause problems for an Iraqi Kurdistan that wouldn’t be able to support a large influx of their ethnic brethren that would undoubtedly move to a legitimized homeland.
It is a recipe for disaster even greater than what we are seeing today.
It is a matter of time before boots do land on the ground outside of the few thousand we have there currently. Whether you agree with it or not, if you ask the military to solve a problem, they are going to give you a military solution every time.
I honestly believe if we would have kept about 10,000 soldiers there after 2011, we wouldn’t be in this mess. It also would have been a heck of a lot cheaper than going back in blind.
The battles around Con Thien from May-July of 1967.
@CWO:
It seems the more things change…the more they stay the same…for the grunts at least lol.
Yes indeed. The Annals of Thutmose III inscribed into the walls of the Amun-Re temple at Karnak, which are considered to be the first reliable description ever recorded of a battle (the Battle of Megiddo, circa 1457 BC), include a line which says that the men in Thutmose’s army stepped off “by the left” – just like every other army in recorded history. If the language barrier could be overcome, infantrymen from across the centuries would probably find a lot of common stuff to talk about if you got them together.
Or things to gripe about at least lol…sore backs and sore feet are timeless.
It seems the more things change…the more they stay the same…for the grunts at least lol.