Operation Sealion a Possibility with AA1940 Europe?

The political rules will make things interesting. I think so and frankly they were necessary. To not have included them in a 1940 start date game would have not been fulfilling and realistic at all. Unfortunately, they have caused some issues. Russia should start out as neutral vs the Euro axis, It does… but does it start out neutral vs Jap, sounds like they will. I have left this to the Japanese and Russian player to figure out between themselves. I think it’s kind of fun to have a bit of unpredictability on that front. I once conducted a big Japanese, basically an air attack, against a consolidated Russian position of some 18 infantry and never recovered as Japan. No surprise for sure, but it drove home that Russia is no pushover on that front and Japan is rather motivated to keep the peace. Also sounds like Russia/Jap can declare war on each other at any time, or not at all. That’s pretty much the case. However, it is important to point out that Russia cannot attack a Euro Axis until its turn 4. This is not to say that it can’t be at war with the Euro Axis before that moment. That depends on whether or not they are attacked by them.… Just because Russia is at war w/Germany, doesn’t necessarily mean it will be at war w/Japan. And like wise, just because Russia is at war with German and/or Italy doesn’t mean that its a war with Japan. They both (Japan and Russia) have good reasons to not mess with each other – at least not until their other pressing problems are resolved one way or the other. I would think that if Russian units move into UK/Chinese tt they would first have to declare war on Japan (like UK moving into China). In addition to normal restrictions, the Soviet Union may not move units into China (until at war with Japan of course). I also would think that if UK/Jap go to war (regardless who starts it) Russia will still have the option to stay out. It does…

Larry am I close on this, could you shed some light? I think I just did, will maybe I did.

Edit: Also if Russia is at war w/Germany will UK units be able to move into Russia, or will that also be an act of war against Jap for Russia to open her boarders? No this would not be an act of war against Japan by Russia or the UK. I’m not totally clear on this point anymore. Krieghund is the only person in the world who seems to know the definitive answers to these political basket of crabs questions. I think we should ask him (confirmed by Krieghund). :wink: In any case, the Russians and the Japanese can go to war for what ever reason they see fit. There ain’t nothing stopping em.

This is a Q & A I had w/Larry in early April. I’m not sure if Russia gets those 18 inf from the start in one tt (Amur), or where they are. I would imagine that they could be scattered about in Siberia, but could be consolidated quickly. With what Japan starts out with in Manchuria, Russia should have a pretty good deterrent.

@SgtBlitz:

Gleh, too much red text.

What is this the Book of Wild Bill in the New A&A Testament? Does he think he is our personal A&A savior?

@Brain:

@SgtBlitz:

Gleh, too much red text.

What is this the Book of Wild Bill in the New A&A Testament? Does he think he is our personal A&A savior?

It’s the words of Harris in Red edition.

No need to put it in red though. Just put quotation marks.

@idk_iam_swiss:

No need to put it in red though. Just put quotation marks.

I don’t think the red is that bad…

@SAS:

@Brain:

@SgtBlitz:

Gleh, too much red text.

What is this the Book of Wild Bill in the New A&A Testament? Does he think he is our personal A&A savior?

It’s the words of Harris in Red edition.

Oh, that makes sense. He is the God of war games.

I used red because that’s typically how Larry answers on his site. He takes your post (Q), then puts his answers (A) in red. That’s why I said it was a Q & A w/Larry, sorry if I didn’t take in account many of you don’t go to his site.

No need to. Theres nothing there that isnt posted here within the hour. Larry almost never answeres questions because of vague “legal reasons”. Ive been there a couple times. Its sorta like this site. Only here there is a lot more discussion.

@WILD:

I used red because that’s typically how Larry answers on his site. He takes your post (Q), then puts his answers (A) in red. That’s why I said it was a Q & A w/Larry, sorry if I didn’t take in account many of you don’t go to his site.

Don’t be sorry. We were just havin’ a little fun. That post was very informative. Thank you WILD BILL.

Yea you pricks better appreciate it, you know how sore my finger is from all the coping & pasting lol :-D

@WILD:

Yea you pricks better appreciate it, you know how sore my finger is from all the coping & pasting lol :-D

I do go to Larry’s site ever so often, but I never post there.

Larry said

In addition to normal restrictions, the Soviet Union may not move units into China (until at war with Japan of course)

Finally some good news here. This means that a non-agression pact is defacto in play. Japan will not want soviets saving the poor old chinamen and also will have a good reason to garrison Manchuria against soviets. This way, the pact will be broken as soon as China is toasted, and that is totally reasonable

Now delete ACME wall from the very existence and you’ll have a happy Funcioneta (you’ll need a rule to prevent enter chinamen into soviet occupied territory in NCM phase until japs and USSR are at war) . I could even forgive the roundels that are there purely as recognition for war effort bla bla bla  :lol:

Mmmm… I wonder if soviets could sacrifice one inf to make a suicide attack on Manchuria to start the war and so start sending troops to China. I hope that not or we’ll not have any non-agression pact  :|

@Funcioneta:

Mmmm… I wonder if soviets could sacrifice one inf to make a suicide attack on Manchuria to start the war and so start sending troops to China. I hope that not or we’ll not have any non-agression pact  :|

I am pretty sure USSR is going to have to focus all of its resources on holding off Germany.

Russia will be able to send units into China at any time w/o attacking Japan. It just needs to declare its self at war with Japan before hand earlier in its turn. It would be the same as UK moving units into China. The only difference would be that Russia moving in won’t have anything to do w/US war time bonus. I haven’t heard of any bonus incentive (NO) involved, but maybe there should be. All Larry has said is its totally up to the 2 players, but there will be reasons why they may leave each other alone. I would imagine its because they will both have their plates full and won’t want to start a new front.  A one time bonus of say $10 to the player who didn’t provoke the war would be cool IMO. I don’t think I would want a rule that doesn’t allow these two powers to fight if they want to.

If you give full freedom, USSR and Japan will attack each other from round 1, 2 as much, specially if USA is not at war with axis yet. We need a rule for the non-agression treaty or this is going to be as if Japan and USSR were at war defacto from round 1

Until now, Larry is sending confusing messages about this subject, so we’ll have to wait. But if there is not a non-agression treaty rule (again) and we are going to suffer the ACME wall (again), good old Func is going to be sad, and Larry don’t want that. Do you, Larry?  :cry:

I think we have the ACME walls everywhere sadly secured (neutrals, China  :-P ) , but I have a small hope about the non-agression pact

@Funcioneta:

If you give full freedom, USSR and Japan will attack each other from round 1, 2 as much, specially if USA is not at war with axis yet. We need a rule for the non-agression treaty or this is going to be as if Japan and USSR were at war defacto from round 1

The Neutrality pact between the Soviet Union and Japan wasnt signed until April 13th 1941, after the starting point of this game. Historically the USSR and Japan were, at times, in a state of defacto war. After the Japanese conquest of manchuria in 1932 border skirmishes were common between the two powers. Some involved tens of thousands of men and tanks on each side. The most famous of these being the clash at lake Khasan in 1938, and the battle of Khalkin Gol the following year. I think the uncertainty in the setup perfectly reflect the historical situation while allowing the player to follow his own inclinations.

I don’t think we need a NAP, although in global I don’t think we will see a J1 attack either. Both powers will have good size forces at the borders, and neither will want to risk them, leaving them selves weak to other enemies. Both will want to use those forces in other missions, but shouldn’t leave the boarder unprotected for fear of attack.

Japan could go after Russia, but that would leave less to take out China. Japan will also be looking to set-up attacks on UK holdings no later then rd #3 (Siberia is a long way from India). Russia will have a ton of inf to fight through, and will be able to back down until it can reinforce with attack units. Japan would be caught in nowhere land, and not have much to show for its efforts. By time Japan gets anywhere near a Russian victory city the UK (India) will be much stronger, and the US will be breathing down their neck.

Russia will be preparing to get raped by Germany as soon as Paris falls (unless of coarse Germany attempts a Sea Lion, then Russia might get bold). Even if Russia wants to push into Manchuria, I don’t think it will have much more then inf that far out to do so. It would take a turn or two to get tanks or air units to Siberia to do any real damage. I think Russia may declare war on Japan to enter China just to help keep them alive.

Speaking of China and the “Great Acme Wall”, IN Pac 40 China normally gets pushed back to the Russian or Mongolian boarder. I wouldn’t like for the Chinese to be able to totally vacate China and retreat into Russia, India or Mongolia for that matter. You would end up w/Chinese def Russian soil all the way to Moscow, Stalingrad, or a last stand in India. That’s much worse then keeping them within their own boarders IMO. China has 20 tt it can go into now. It will have many allies (including Russia) to come in and help keep it alive, or breath life back into it if it falls in GL40. I’m sure Larry has learned from AA50, he has even acknowledged the short comings w/China and possible improvements in the future. There are many improvements concerning China in the new game. The flying tiger is protected at the start. China gets it own income and turn. The Burma road is rather cool, allowing China to purchase art, and get an NO bonus. I don’t think you can pass judgment on the global game, or say some part is broken w/o first seeing how it all works out.

If I am playing Japan and Russia leaves its eastern territories barely defended, I would make them pay for it.