The Existence of God

Whatever makes ´em happy…

I agree. Al Qaida is almost exclusively a Sunni group made up mostly of Saudi’s.

I just misread your sentence “I have not yet encountered a hostile Iraqi, most of them are in fact, of Saudi background.” as being that you have not encountered hostile Iraqi’s who had emmigrated from Saudi Arabia and I was thinking that any Saudi who emmigrates to Iraq is probably up to no good….

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You can believe whatever makes you feel nice and cozy. Thats what religion is for. To hide your head in the sand while the world goes about its way with all of the violence and suffering and death that is involved. I dont care about what a religious persons version of the world is. If people want to live in a cartoon Universe where anything is possible,so be it. But when you start to enact local,state and federal laws based on biblical nonsense or have national policy based on armegeddon and the “end times”,thats when I will confront the religious nuts head on.  People have been saying the end of the world is right around the corner for two thousand years and yet here we are. Question: Does anyone here remember 500 years ago? Answer: No because you were dead.
                    Its odd that no-one has mentioned my criticism of Genesis. But I know why. No-one can rationally explain all the fantastic lapses in logic concerning it. I am always amazed how frightened people are to question the beliefs they were taught as children. As we mature,we eventually let go of Santa,tooth fairies, the boogey man. But we cling to these afterlife things and are afraid to let go of them. Its completely understandable,though. It takes a strong person to accept the fact that life is random and this mortal life is all that there is. Any wimp can say " I believe!! I believe despite what is in front of my eyes!!". Faith is a weakness of the human mind. What is the difference,really, if a scientist says " You are just an ape that evolved from slime over billions of years " or a christian preacher saying “You are just dirt that sins.” They are both quite depressing,except we have massive evidence for one (evolution)and scant,pathetic,mostly written evidence for the other.Christians now-a-days should really take history lessons about the church because there is a lot they can learn. They seem to think that the church just tolled bells,had mass and everyone was happy for the last two millenia. Actually,they were involved in some of the most heinous crimes in histroy,including the Holocaust,slavery and stealing money and labor from the poor to build their eyesores. 
                                              I would be a believer if there was the evidence for it. If there were THE BIBLE,the one-and-only unaltered BIBLE,where I could go and look at it,kind of like the Declaration of Independence and say to myself " This is THE BIBLE,the ORIGINAL BIBLE,completely written in its scribble-dot-dash format (not English of course) yet there it is. It cannot be burned or pages torn out because this is THE BIBLE,the LITERAL WORD OF GOD and cannot be destroyed or altered ,no matter what a mortal does to it. Is there such a thing? No. The Bible,especially the New Testament,was written over hundreds of years,edited,diluted,re-copied in error by monks,so it is just a plain old book. Nothing special.

What method do you use to determine the veracity of ancient documents?  You seem to have a lot of knowledge in the area of ancient manuscripts, and I wanted to know what methodology you have used to arrive at your conclusions.  But let’s forget the ancient writings in the Bible for the moment.  I’m curious how you apply your thought to other documents of antiquity and the outcome of your investigation(s).  Please explain.  There are many other documents that could be discussed besides those in the modern day Bible.

Understand:  I am not arguing about whether a given text is "the word of God."  Instead, I am simply talking about old documents.  I am sure that in school past/present you have discussed “old” texts besides the Old and New Testaments.  I just want to know why you know what you know.  Forget about the religious part of it.

I also see your talking about faith again despite not answering a word of what I said about it.  Again, it is not the idea of “faith,” but the object of it that is what should be argued about.

Also, I looked back through your posts and couldn’t find an argument about Genesis to answer.  Sorry if I missed it.

Just finished the sequel to God’s Debris, entitled “The Religion War”. And all i can say is !!! i loved it. outstanding. Adams has really posed some interesting questions, in a fascinating and entertaining way. even more interesting, he makes clear that the ideas are not his own (not entirely, at least, they may be partially). what can i say about religion war?
Religion War:God’s Debris::Kill Bill Vol. 2:Kill Bill Vol. 1. you can read it alone, but i suggest you read both. both are outstanding. and both are pertinent to having an interesting discussion. so i suggest after you read God’s Debris, if you are interested in a discussion about any of the topics, read The Religion War. unfortunately, it is not a free ebook. it will cost you, but not much, and its worth it. i highly reccomend it.

Locked, this is just going in circles and getting a little personal….

Oh btw:

And how do you know how the story is supposed to read? You don’t buy into any part of the Bible, but you are an expert on it?

I’m actually quite fascinated with the Bible. I’ve read the King James version through a few times, and done a lot of research on the creation and symbolism behind the book. So yes, when it comes to history I’m fairly well versed in the Bible.

I dont pretend to support creationism at all, and i staunchly do not believe in god. but i think those that reconcile god and evolution say that god purposefully did evolution, that is, it was created that way

Janus I have to Disagree with you here man. first of all I dont understand how you could ever think that the Greek Gods were more Believable then our one God now. First of all there wasnt a one true church to hold up the Religion.

“One True Church” which less than half the religion follows. Which is a political organization. Which did not write the book which it follows.

Their Beliefs varied from town to town. Now We have the Church that has stood for 2000 years. It has had its faults in the past, Everyones human. But it is still the only true holy church. Because it is the One, holy, Catholic, and apostolic church.

My like Barnes and Nobles has four shelves of different Bibles. The Greek Religion (which was carried over by the Romans, they just changed the names into Latin and adopted the Trojan Penates), lasted just as long.

Its Origin was divine. Jesus himself made the church with his words to Peter the first pope. Even if you dont believe that Jesus is the Messiah, which is nonsense, you must still believe he was holy.

Jesus was not divine, and I’d love to see a primary source pre 332 AD (I believe thats the date, its somewhere in that area) which depicts Jesus as the son of God. He wasn’t considered divine until the Council of Nicaea of the same year, when the bible was compiled by Emperor Constantine and his advisors. Christianity was to be the Religion which would save Rome. Christianity was in essence not created until then. Until that day, Christians were actually Jews who happened to follow the teachings of Jesus. Christianity was actually a blend of this new Judaism, Roman Paganism (Jove, Venus, Mars, ect), Barbarian Paganism, and Roman Sun worship. Roman Sun Worship was in fact the offical religion of Rome at the time. Constantine himself, unlike the popular belief, was not Christian, he was a sun-worshipper, and devotely did his duty as Pontifex Maximus until he was baptised half dead on his deathbed right before he passed away.

Jesus was indeed a great leader, but he was a mortal prophet. He envisioned a religion of equality. Jesus was a married man with children before the Nicaea council. As part of his divinity, Jesus could not have had any mortal contact. All records of his wife and children were destroyed. His wife was Mary Magdalene. She of course was long dead and rotting by this point. However, right after Jesus was Crucified, Magdalene fled to France, her life at risk. In France, she (and her son, Jesus’s son) became the first of the Merovingian Dynasty in Southern France. All records of her name were burned. She was given a new role in the Bible to defame her, as a whore.

Read into your religion’s history, its quite interesting. I suggest reading The Templar Revelation.

The New Testament itself refered to Jesus in the gospels as the son of God, because the few gospels included were written by the Romans. In fact, there is evidence that pre-Nicaea volumes of the “New Judaism” pseudo-bible had dozens of gospels from figures in the bible. Included are writings from Mary Magdalene herself.

Proof? The Dead Sea scrolls date back 100 years pre-Nicaea and back everything up here, including all the missing gospels. This is nothing new either. Even Leonardo Da Vinci, called the smartest person of all time, painted all this into his paintings. Take a look at Madonna on the Rocks (Not Virgin on the Rocks) and the Last Supper next chance you get. Look to Jesus’s right (your left), and look hard. Look at Peter. Look at the person immediately to JEsus’s right, thats no man. And look how they all interact.

Look at the Virgin Mary and John the Baptist in Madonna on the Rocks.

However, it is not an organization for Christians.

Good help us if it were.