• Well the reason I said “largely” due to capitalism, is because some capitalist diehards brand every slump as result of certain “special” conditions. Such conditions as failure of the stock exchange, not enough credit, too much debt, inflation, deflation, lack of oil, lack of “confidence”, etc., etc., etc., and the current slump will undoubtedly be blamed on terrorism. None of these excuses get to the root of the problem - the capitalist mode of production.


    “Only the spirit of attack, born in a brave heart, will bring success to any fighter aircraft, no matter how highly developed it may be.” - Aldolf Galland
    “The crate? The crate matters not. It is the man who pilots the crate that truely counts.” - R

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  • F_alk,
    I’m sure that they would be able to contact their Embassy at some point. Or at most, during Court (unless this is a military tribunal, which is a different story). However, another thing I hate is “diplomatic immunity.” That means an ambassador who commits a crime is untouchable by law, no matter how much it was his/her fault or how much damage was done.

    I also like to mention, in any society there will always be one sicko once in a while that kills for pleasure and enjoys bring pain to others. There’s not much you can do about it. However Capitalism exploits this to the nth degree with those caught in extreme poverty and high wealth. There are a number of cases of rich, young persons (usually ones that inherit their wealth) turning to organized crime (and sometimes even murder) since they have nothing else to do and enjoy the challenge and adrenaline rush. Disturbing.


  • Capitalism has always had compassion follow it. In the middle ages you had the church. Following the Industrial Revolution, first you got labor laws and unions followed by social welfare programs.

    Not to say that compassion is built into capitalism. But neither is it built into Communism.


  • It’s funny that Labor Unions were often attacked as being radically Socialistic and harmful to capitalism. Middle Ages and the Church? Are you sure you’re not talking about Feudalism?


  • What I was refering to was that the social service during the middle ages was the Church.

    YOu can argue about exactly how much good the church did, but the same goes for Welfare.

    As for labor unions being attacked as being socialist, they are. However, they are not communist.


  • The reason for labor unions not being branded as communist is that they work for money (wages), which contracts communism. However, trying to work for an equal share is definitely a step in the direction toward communism.


  • To get back to the main subject, the death penalty is bad.


  • yourbuttocks wrote: “Prison life is hell. Not flowers and music. Do you have any idea what goes on in a prison, fool.”

    Do you have any idea what goes on in a prison, yourbuttocks? Despite what you see in the movies sometimes, they do have it relatively easy in prison, from what I’ve seen. I’ve visited the Kingston Penitentiary in Canada (NOT as an inmate, I might add). My dad and I used to live with a woman who was a security guard there. Most of the prisoners get their own cells, and they get an ALLOWANCE. They have tv’s in their cells, radios, and other luxuries. I wouldn’t be so harsh as to call someone a ‘fool’ before doing my own research to prove them wrong, yourbuttocks.


  • lack of “confidence”,

    thats a part of capitalist; its very emotional. Sometime a compagny is running fine, very fine, but oops, their actions are loosing valor, why ? Because X said something bad for the compagnie and peaple get afraid…


  • Gotten

    “thats a part of capitalist; its very emotional.”

    Very true indeed.

    “Do you have any idea what goes on in a prison, yourbuttocks? Despite what you see in the movies sometimes, they do have it relatively easy in prison”

    Another statement I have to agree with. And if you’re rich and you get convicted for a felony and sent to jail, multiply Chri’s above post by 10. Another problem with capitalism and our jail system – money talks, perhaps too much.


  • I don’t know about some fancy dance hotel in Canada, but in the U.S. it is different. Listening to personal stories on NPR of men being beaten, and raped on a regular basis. One guy was stabbed dozens of time with an ice pick. Sounds luxorious to me (sarcastic)


  • If you are poor than the system might treat you like karp. But if you’re free, then prison stay is just a minor nuisance.


  • Quote: How can peaple be pro-life, against Abortion, but for death penalty ?

    The one’s on death row had their chance…and they blew it, the unborn baby hasn’t.


  • Still, its not “pro-life”


  • I do believe that the majority of pro-lifers are against the death penalty.


  • I joke with ym friends that i am in the “pro killing party”, because i am pro the war on terror (we should of picked a better name, the name sounds like it is good versus evil), pro abortion (pro choice), pro euthanasia, and pro death pelenty.


  • Ha, sounds a bit like me :smile:


  • (we should of picked a better name, the name sounds like it is good versus evil)

    i totally agree

    pro abortion (pro choice)

    I am pro choice, but against abortion (exept in some, very rare case)

    pro euthanasia, and pro death pelenty.

    Not a little useless ?


  • Well no everything is black and white. Like I’m “pro-life” in abortion but not always (such as cases of rape, life endangerment of the mother, or incest). Same with the death penalty. It really depends on varying degrees.


  • The intrinsic problem with the Death Penalty is that you can’t pardon a corpse.

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