Submarines & Target Selection V3

@meyott Hey there! I haven’t been able to bust the game out in a while, so I’m maybe a bit rusty here, but I believe these should answer your questions.

When Greek Alignment happens would depend on at what point in the game Turkey is Aligned too. If the Axis win Influence over Greece before they’re at war with anyone, then Turkey would not be Aligned with the Axis just yet, and so Greece would not be able to become Aligned with the Allies right away. If the Axis was at war with the Allies, then Greece would become Allied Aligned immediately.

There’s seemingly a bit of contradiction between the Turkey At War Expansion rules, and the Turkey Reference sheet though.

The Reference Sheet states that “If Turkey becomes Axis Aligned (i.e. its at war with the Same Major Power as Germany Japan or Italy), Greece will immediately become Allied Aligned”.

The Expansion rules at 1.5© and 1.6 state:

“1.5© Declaration of War: Even if Turkey becomes Aligned to a Major Power an independent run Turkey is not forced to declare war and can remain neutral until it wishes to. Other nations can declare war on Turkey as per Global War Rules”;

“1.6 Greece: If Turkey becomes Axis Aligned, Greece will immediately become Allied Aligned”.

So to me, the Reference sheet is saying that Greece becomes Aligned with the Allies when Turkey is at war with the same Major power as the Axis, but the Expansion rules at 1.6 just say Greece becomes Allied Aligned the moment Turkey becomes Axis Aligned, seemingly regardless of Turkey’s belligerent status.

I know that’s not me really answering the question, haha. We’ve played based on what the Expansion Rules say though and not the Reference sheet, meaning that once Turkey becomes Axis Aligned, Greece will become Allied Aligned, regardless of Turkish war status.

Good point on Home Country here. I guess I’d refer to the rulebook for “Home Country”:

“Each nation has a group of land zones that comprise their Home Country as defined on the National Reference Sheet. For a Minor Power the Home Country includes the primary nation but not its colonies, islands or conquered land zones”.

I think there is a statement somewhere that says “If a submarine submerges, it remains as such for the remainder of the player turn”

@insanehoshi True…
I forgot that.

Sounds good. We just didn’t know if the optional rule about capturing a territory with a capital ship being produced at a shipyard sort of trumped that specific rule. We have been using the rule you posted instead of the optional rule with france. Thanks!

@JbuckBuddy
The militia don’t move

Hey all!

So, this might be a question for those who have played some games with the V3 rules a few times, and/or those who helped play test or help refine (like GHG).

I’m just wondering what changes between the two versions of the game people are bummed about that were taken out of V2, or just altered a lot. I don’t have any experience with V3 yet, other than reading the beta rules on their website once or twice. Would love to get others’ takes on what they might miss or not agree with. Just thinking ahead to the potential of house ruling a bit to revert to V2 if anyone wanted.

A couple potential talking points (and sorry, it’s been a minute since I read through the V3 beta rules, so I might be misremembering):

Variations in unit costs by nation? I think I read that all units of the same type will now cost the same for every nation, right? Does everyone like this rule? My gut reaction is I kind of liked having a little variable there, as it gave different nations different advantages. But on the flip side, I understand from a level playing field perspective how making all the same makes sense. Not to mention it probably simplifies the rules a bit. Any opinions?

Special units. I might be misremembering here, but I thought there were no longer special units, like Volkstrum, Black Shirts, etc. for some nations. How do people feel about that? Do they miss that variation a bit, or is it pointless?

Naval options. I’ve mentioned this before, and have heard how others feel. But again, just curious on thoughts. Do people like all the different naval base and naval unit options now in V3? Or has anyone found it might bog the game down a bit at times? Just curious.

Any missed opportunities for improvement that you think would have been beneficial?

Thanks!

Chris

I’ve found that a couple sheets’ worth of paper “Light” and “Heavy” roundels works to disambiguate which tanks/cruisers/battleships/carriers/bombers are which. Not the prettiest option, but sure is the cheapest.

For instance:

Heavy roundels designate - Heavy Artillery (my homebrew artillery tech “Heavy Artillery Doctrine”, same stats except Costs +1, supports two infantry units), Heavy Tanks, Heavy Strategic Bombers, Heavy Cruisers, Heavy Carriers, Heavy Battleships

Light roundels designate - Light Tanks, Light Cruisers, Light Carriers, and I use “Light” roundels to indicate “Fast Battleships” as well, since they move faster than ‘standard’ battleships

@GeneralHandGrenade The end of your “Misunderstood Rules” video reminded me of this discussion.

Upon reflection, I think what I was really getting at with the way the beta rules are written is that they never explicitly state that surface warships other than Destroyers cannot attack submarines with the help of an aircraft on MAP. It is only implied that other ships cannot do this.