Racial Profiling in airports

The problem with racial profiling is that it incites innocent, well being people of that particular race to commit crime. It’s the classic black sheep story, if you try to make someone look like a crook (pulling over a Afro-American simply because he drives a nice car), after X amount of times, he going to be filled with bitter resentment in the system. Also, I can agree with your statistics, but what’s to be taking it to extremes. We all know males commit the majority of the murders, right? Often those males fall within the young adults (18-30) age gap. Also, ethnicities commit a disproportional amount of crime. So here’s what my master plan is, get all of the ethnic, young males and incarcerate them all in jail! It’s a surefire way to prevent crime right?

@HortenFlyingWing:

“Who assumes that where? I can’t find that in this thread.
So, the Intifada started before the six-days-war? Well, that’s new to me …”

Terrorism against jews in israel started showing some numbers in the 1920s…long before the six days war.

Zionism brought jews there…it also brought a lot of arabs looking for jobs. Both sides used terrorism against the british to gain independence. One side decided not to accept any multi-racial israeli state…now their is israel and the “occupied territories” seized in a war that was provoked for years.

First a small thing: could you please take out the pic from your sig again? I mean, it’s funny to see it once, but in each and every of your posting? You nearly double the thread size with that :)

Second: If the terrorism started somewhere in the 20s, then even more the israeli state and statesmen have no basis for calling the palestinian violence “fascist” or “nazi”. It’s anti-zionist and turned to antisemitic.

But ofr the point: The violence as we see it now and today surely is different from the terrorism that we had in those days. And i would place one of the major changing points with the start of the Intifada. That was what i wanted to say.

“And yes, the argument that racial profiling insults people is kind of true, but it kills people not to profile.”

In Cincinnati on April 7, 2001, a police officer chased and shot Timothy Thomas, a black teenager (unarmed) wanted for 14 misdemeanor and traffic charges. The shooting sparked four days of “unrest,” with video images of blacks pulling white motorists from their cars and beating them. Ken Lawson, a Cincinnati defense attorney who specializes in police brutality cases, said the rioting “gave whites a better understanding of what it feels like to be a target of violence just because of the color of your skin.”

This is the problem. How many times can you target someone soley due to the color of the skin (though many police offices attach accounts of minor “traffic violations” like weaving or minor speeding). One of the core principles of the Fourth Amendment is that the police cannot stop and detain an individual without some reason – probable cause, or at least reasonable suspicion – to believe that he or she is involved in criminal activity.

“I feel like I’m a guy who’s pretty much walked the straight line and that’s respecting people and everything. We just constantly get harassed. So we just feel like we can’t go anywhere without being bothered… I’m not trying to bother anybody. But yet a cop pulls me over and says I’m weaving in the road. And I just came from a friend’s house, no alcohol, nothing. It just makes you wonder – was it just because I’m black?”

– James, 28, advertising account executive

Right on, brother. :(

How many times can you pull someone over simply because of his race, before he is filled with this bitter resentment of the system?

In another another incident a Arab citizen of the US was barred from getting onto a plane, simply because another passenger felt “uncomfortable” of his presence. The Arab was taking in custody, question, had a ID/background, and stripped search before security declared him a non-threat. Was he allowed back on the plane? No, he was still rejected from boarding onto that particular plane. What gives the other passenger a higher president over that Arab citizen? Race?

But to be sure, exactly what type of racial profile are we talking about? I think there is a bit of a side track between racial profile on airports and highways. I do believe in forms of racial profiling. For example, when you arrive in the USA or depart on a flight, and are not a legal US citizen (like the Muslim terrorist), then you are subject to a resonable amount of scrutiny by the officials. However, what about the Arab citizen who is a legal US citizen and who’s family have lived here for generations? What about middle class Arabs that constantly need to travel, frequent business flyers? Should they be force to undergo racial profiling every time they wish to board a plane?

Horten,

if your neighbor puts up a soundsystem in his garden at a volume that loud that you can’t sleep and he replies "it’s my garden’, how would you react?
I just asked for it, because it is kind of annoying to have half a page filled with that pic.

Moses,
that’s what i meant, when i objected the racial in racial profiling

Do we know what kind of effect RP has right now?
And let’s say that RP has prevented 2 planes from being taken hostage - would the end justify the means?

Those, i think, seem to be the big questions here. I am curious. Given my mentality, if i was Arabic would i consider RP to be “wrong”? If a large group of Mennonites were involved in terrorist activities (stiffling a laugh here) would i consider it wrong if i am being checked out myself (having been an active Mennonite - studying Mennonite history, taking part in public Mennonite events - i’m a worthy target)? Right now, i think that reasonably that is something i would have to put up with - at least for a little while - until we were at least found to be non-terrorist, peaceful people with a few wing-nuts at the fringes. Are there any people of Arabic descent who feel this way?

“One, did he run from the cop? Two, shooting people ISN’T racial profiling. Its murder…same with violent rioting.”

I think he did run from the cop. However, the cop had no right to fire since his life was not place in unnecessary danger (the teenager was unarmed). This more has to due with police misconduct or maybe even racism, not racial profiling as you said. What I was referring to was the backlash. IE Blacks pulling whites out of cars, beating them, and saying, “Now you know how it feels to be a victim of racial profiling.” This has to stop. How long can you molest a race of people so much that they finally snap, like the incident from above?

“This almost happened to my dad! They put him on the plane first so people wouldn’t “vote him off.”!!! If someone is checked out by security, then noone should be “voted off.” That isn’t racial profiling.”

The Arab wasn’t voted off, it was all due to the actions of one single passenger. This still is “hard” profiling* by that passenger (This event happen fairly recently, I think in early June. The attacks of Sept. 11th came almost 8 months ago!). But still, the he [the Arab] had to be stripped searched and forego questioning (the whole ordeal delayed the flight at least an hour). Don’t you think that this is a little extreme to say the least? If this Arab were a citizen of the United States (and he was), I would think a simple baggage check, background check, and sincere apology would be more than enough. Same with blacks. Should a person pulled over for a minor traffic violation (and we see this all the time) be subject to unwanted scrutiny (ie having his car searched and even taken into custody) simply because of the color of his skin?

“You agree with me so why are we debating? What we need is the Israeli like system. If someone was here for generations, or comes here all the time on business, should geta backroundcheck (like everyone), and notneed to be heavily scrutinized again! Its a great system.”

The problem is that such a system doesn’t exist in America. Now I would support your Israeli system. However, it should not just be applied to blacks (when driving cars) or Arabs (when riding airplanes). This should be similar to the National Instant Check (as a member of the NRA you should know this). Instant Checks require only a few minutes, and they are the most comprehensive checks ever run on firearm purchasers, superior to any conducted under waiting periods.

• = What we may call “hard” profiling uses race as the only factor in assessing criminal suspiciousness: an officer sees a black person and, without more to go on, pulls him over for a pat-down on the chance that he may be carrying drugs or weapons. “Soft” racial profiling is using race as one factor among others in gauging criminal suspiciousness: the highway police, for example, have intelligence that Jamaican drug posses with a fondness for Nissan Pathfinders are transporting marijuana along a section of the northeast corridor. A New Jersey trooper sees a black motorist speeding in a Pathfinder and pulls him over in the hope of finding drugs.

Yeah, I can agree with you on that about hard and soft profiling. :wink: You can’t be completely color blind in that case of soft profiling where you know when and where the hitch is taking place.

case closed! 8)

boooo Horten!!!

I agreed to Moses in his opinion even before he had to coin the terms of hard and soft profiling….

cuts his finger and here is the blood shed :) :)

haha, that’s the funniest darn thing I ever heard :lol:

That and saying Ike was a bad president double ouch :wink: