Russian income trick.

@Cow:

here. You get +2 for persia, then +5 from Iraq right after.

There is more…

I’d rather take Persia with Britain.
And to take Iraq, you need to attack so you’ll have to dedicate some units that can punch through the inf defence - so where that ‘+5’ you mentions comes from I don’t know. (If it isn’t flipped by Axis already).
Plus you can’t take them until Russia is at war and it takes you two turns after the war declaration to get to Persia unless Britain (or somebody else) have flipped East Persia (or NW Persia).

And if you get a mech inf into Italian Somali land, I wonder what Italy is doing and whether or not it isn’t also something that Britain needs to capture if free.

I think UK (barring Sealion) would be better to take Persia. Iraq is debatable.

@Xandax:

@Cow:

here. You get +2 for persia, then +5 from Iraq right after.

There is more…

And to take Iraq, you need to attack so you’ll have to dedicate some units that can punch through the inf defence - so where that ‘+5’ you mentions comes from I don’t know. (If it isn’t flipped by Axis already).
Plus you can’t take them until Russia is at war and it takes you two turns after the war declaration to get to Persia unless Britain (or somebody else) have flipped East Persia (or NW Persia).

And if you get a mech inf into Italian Somali land, I wonder what Italy is doing and whether or not it isn’t also something that Britain needs to capture if free.

I don’t think you completely understood. the “trick” is to  have uk take east persia, that way USSR can take persia the turn they go to war, with a mech and a panzer.

the advantage of that is that now you have 1 mech, 1 arm, 3 inf, and possibly 1 tac for an attack on iraq. with the, so that is + 5 (+2 for the terr,l + 3 for the NO since iraq is pro axis, they don’t need to be aligned by italy for this)

when you already have the ussr mech in iraq, you are 3 moves, or one trainne move away from italian somali land, which is a 0 income terr, but the USSR gets the NO for it too. so combine it all and USSR can get 10 EXTRA income from about round 5.

why UK would take italian somaliland when USSR is in position to take it is beyond me. (assuming the italians have not placed alot of troops there ofc)

The Italian bomber may sink your transport in z76 with the Russian onboard and land in Italian Somaliland.

What is this plus 5 you speak of  :?

Your confused silly cow. Germany/Italy have the oil NO’s

Latest alpha 3 version-
Russia gets 3 IPCs per original Axis or pro-Axis territory (on the Europe map).
Which I think is kinda silly, mostly because of exploits like this, but it is what it is.

ya, but its a hella better than 6 per original german (oob) +3 for european neutrals and original axis (A2).  Ive yet to see this exploited well in my games.

I agree that those are worse, but you’re off by a bit.

In A2, it was +3 only for originally German territories.  Pretty much worked just fine, no funny exploits.
The bonus for all neutrals was in an earlier version of A3.

USSR can grab Iraq easy enough, but the African territories are a lot tougher to get to than it looks.  Finland isn’t worth the expense, and the eastern Europe ones are only possible for a short time after a sea lion or at the end of the game when Germany is in full retreat and the end is near anyway.

@Kreuzfeld:

@Xandax:

@Cow:

here. You get +2 for persia, then +5 from Iraq right after.

There is more…

And to take Iraq, you need to attack so you’ll have to dedicate some units that can punch through the inf defence - so where that ‘+5’ you mentions comes from I don’t know. (If it isn’t flipped by Axis already).
Plus you can’t take them until Russia is at war and it takes you two turns after the war declaration to get to Persia unless Britain (or somebody else) have flipped East Persia (or NW Persia).

And if you get a mech inf into Italian Somali land, I wonder what Italy is doing and whether or not it isn’t also something that Britain needs to capture if free.

I don’t think you completely understood. the “trick” is to  have uk take east persia, that way USSR can take persia the turn they go to war, with a mech and a panzer.

the advantage of that is that now you have 1 mech, 1 arm, 3 inf, and possibly 1 tac for an attack on iraq. with the, so that is + 5 (+2 for the terr,l + 3 for the NO since iraq is pro axis, they don’t need to be aligned by italy for this)

when you already have the ussr mech in iraq, you are 3 moves, or one trainne move away from italian somali land, which is a 0 income terr, but the USSR gets the NO for it too. so combine it all and USSR can get 10 EXTRA income from about round 5.

why UK would take italian somaliland when USSR is in position to take it is beyond me. (assuming the italians have not placed alot of troops there ofc)

Hence I said - it’s a two move for Russia unless NE or NW is flipped and if flipped by Britain - I’d say Britain is in a better position.
And now I see what is meant with the +5 including the NO.

And for why UK should take Italian Somaliland - well - it’s on the route up from South Africa. A single Russian mech inf. or similar would require the transporter to stay in place, require the transporter to be defended, tie up a Russian defensive unit worth 4 - it’s a lot of tactical movements and potential investments for a single point of IPC.
I’d say let Britain go for that point of production if at all.

I’ve often played around with Russian strategies having them push down through Middle East to tie up with Britain however, it’s not an ‘income’ trick. It’s a destroy Italy hard ‘trick’.

The income for Persia seems much better spend on Britain IMO as it can be done faster with them and still opens up a Russian route towards Iraq.

Italy doesn’t stop you at egypt?

If UK activates North Persia, then Russia can activate Iraq with 2 mech right after the German DOW and get an extra $5.  On the next turn they can move into Egypt.  If Italy is sulking instead of attacking Egypt, the Russians will get Tobruk ($3) and Ethiopia ($4).  Turn after that it will be Libya ($4) and Italian Somaliland ($3).  That’s $19.  Can anyone seriously think they can win as the axis with Russia earning that?  Italy MUST prevent this; they can’t just play defense in Northern Italy.  If they fight the battle of attrition with UK over Egypt it will drain UK’s resources as well as their own, but prevent USSR getting anywhere near those NOs.