Convoy questions!

I can answer easy questions!

First let me say, you should but a 2 liter of Jolt cola and spend a day or 2 reading the sticky threat A&AGlobal FAQ or something like that.  Its right up above this post and hold many kernels of valuable rules.  A quick study of that should equip you with the ability to wade through any rule.

1. You can only convoy disrupt when at war, it is not a DOW.  You would have to DOW before hand.  There is nothing keeping Russia from leaving that sub there when not at war, it just would not convoy raid.

2)it depends, if the convoy zone is empty, than it is a noncombat move.  If it is a hostile zone, then you would have to move in in combat to clear the convoy.  This means you can sometimes attack a convoy zone with 1 dd and many planes against many subs.  If you clear the zone and they kill your dd, then just move another combat ship into the zone in noncom.

3)Yes.  In fact I believe you can move into the zone in noncom even if there is a dd.  The enemy can attack you on their turn of course.

I’ve got a question too.
During the collect income phase, it is possible to have lose money due to convoy raids creating a net loss?
For instance, if London’s income comes from only United Kingdom and Scottland [income = 8], and there are four subs in sz 109 and a sub in sz 119 [convoy raid = -10], does London have to give up 2 IPCs that it had saved from the previous turn?

@MacNaughton:

I’ve got a question too.
During the collect income phase, it is possible to have lose money due to convoy raids creating a net loss?
For instance, if London’s income comes from only United Kingdom and Scottland (income = 8), and there are four subs in sz 109 and a sub in sz 119 (convoy raid = -10), does London have to give up 2 IPCs that it had saved from the previous turn?

No, cuz then nothing would be "convoy"ed

No you only “lose” money in the collect income phase so you could get nothing. However net loss would be an interesting house rule to resemble things like food blockades.

I don’t think double-dipping is allowed.

Tell that to the Germans  :evil:

The total amount taken from convoy raids is equal to the territory amount…so the UK is 6 and Scotland is 2 so the total amount that they would not be able to collect would be 8 and it wouldnt matter if there were  twenty subs in the convoy raid.

@TheDefinitiveS:

The total amount taken from convoy raids is equal to the territory amount…so the UK is 6 and Scotland is 2 so the total amount that they would not be able to collect would be 8 and it wouldnt matter if there were  twenty subs in the convoy raid.

That’s if the disruption occurs in SZ 109.  However, if disruption occurs in both SZ 109 AND SZ 119, the UK can lose up to 8 from SZ109 AND another 2 from SZ 119.  Double dipping CAN occur, but only in seperate seazones hitting a single territory.  They would never return saved money, as that’s already in the bank, but they would not collect anything each round if their income was 10 ipcs or less.

For example (using Alpha 2 objectives) and assuming that the UK has lost control of all canadian, african and middle east territories and is reduced to ONLY the UK and Scotland:

if Germany had max disruption on SZ 109 and 119 using only surface fleet units and had no submarines anywhere except 100, 113, 115, or 116, the the UK income would be 6 for UK, 2 for scotland, plus 5 for the national objective,

~~but would collect only 3 IPCs because both convoy zones are hit for their full amount. ~~

Revision - national objective income cannot be disrupted (West US in Pac 40 is only ever worth 10).  Krieghund, please confirm - can convoy damage that exceeds territorial income per example cannot affect national objective income.  In the above example, Britain should collect 5 from the objective.

Source:
@Krieghund:

UK can lose only 2 IPCs from sea zone 119, as it only touches Scotland.  It can lose 8 IPCs from sea zone 109, as it touches both Scotland and United Kingdom.

4 subs in sea zone 119 and 1 sub in sea zone 109 will result in a reduction in income of 4 IPCs for UK.  However, 4 subs in sea zone 109 and 1 sub in sea zone 119 would result in a reduction in income of 10 IPCs.  In any case, income may not be reduced below zero.

@General:

maybe also a CA (why is the cruiser dubbed CA?)

US Navy hull classification symbols. CV = carrier, BB = battleship, CA = heavy cruiser, CL = light cruiser, etc.

@kcdzim:

@TheDefinitiveS:

The total amount taken from convoy raids is equal to the territory amount…so the UK is 6 and Scotland is 2 so the total amount that they would not be able to collect would be 8 and it wouldnt matter if there were  twenty subs in the convoy raid.

That’s if the disruption occurs in SZ 109.  However, if disruption occurs in both SZ 109 AND SZ 119, the UK can lose up to 8 from SZ109 AND another 2 from SZ 119.  Double dipping CAN occur, but only in seperate seazones hitting a single territory.  They would never return saved money, as that’s already in the bank, but they would not collect anything each round if their income was 10 ipcs or less.

For example (using Alpha 2 objectives) and assuming that the UK has lost control of all canadian, african and middle east territories and is reduced to ONLY the UK and Scotland:

if Germany had max disruption on SZ 109 and 119 using only surface fleet units and had no submarines anywhere except 100, 113, 115, or 116, the the UK income would be 6 for UK, 2 for scotland, plus 5 for the national objective, but would collect only 3 IPCs because both convoy zones are hit for their full amount.

Source:
@Krieghund:

UK can lose only 2 IPCs from sea zone 119, as it only touches Scotland.  It can lose 8 IPCs from sea zone 109, as it touches both Scotland and United Kingdom.

4 subs in sea zone 119 and 1 sub in sea zone 109 will result in a reduction in income of 4 IPCs for UK.  However, 4 subs in sea zone 109 and 1 sub in sea zone 119 would result in a reduction in income of 10 IPCs.  In any case, income may not be reduced below zero.

Thanks very much. That is a very thorough answer.

“I´m planning for sea lion on G1, so Ill probably buy me at least an AC to protect the fleet, maybe also a CA (why is the cruiser dubbed CA?) or two transports. Anyone got a better buy on G1 when sea lion is the master plan?”

How exactly are you gonna do this General? ;-)

You can’t double dip a convoy disruption!  You can only disrupt upto the value of the territory nomater what seazone it’s in ie London and Scotland can only be hit for a total of 8 in one turn.  The only double-dipping I see happening is when two countries have land attached to a disruption ie Italy grease, yougoslavia.  If Germany owned yougoslavia and grease and USA had 2 subs there on italys collect income phase thy would loose 4 and on germanys collect income they would loose 4 as well.

@Peck:

You can’t double dip a convoy disruption!

Yes, you can, under the conditions kcdzim described.

Oh.  I stand corrected , I have been playing that one wrong then.

Quick clarification:

in before mentioned case, UK income 8+5 from NO, 4 ger subs in sz109 and 1 in sz119.
would uk loose 8 or 10 ipc due to convoy disruption?

afaik you cant convoy disrup NO?

many thx
Zcion

@Zcion:

Quick clarification:

in before mentioned case, UK income 8+5 from NO, 4 ger subs in sz109 and 1 in sz119.
would uk loose 8 or 10 ipc due to convoy disruption?

afaik you cant convoy disrup NO?

many thx
Zcion

Correct, disruption is capped by the surrounding territories’ income.